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ODRN to regulate coyote hunting?

Jackalope

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Interesting enough i went over to the Ohio State Trappers Associations website and there wasn't a peep about them pushing for this. Either on their forum or in their news section. So if theyre behind it i wonder how much the members actually know and took part in it. I'll be drafting an email inquiry to their board tonight.
 

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Interesting enough i went over to the Ohio State Trappers Associations website and there wasn't a peep about them pushing for this. Either on their forum or in their news section. So if theyre behind it i wonder how much the members actually know and took part in it. I'll be drafting an email inquiry to their board tonight.

There is a post on their Facebook page with about 200 comments on it talking about it
 
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So, the OSTA is pushing for it like I thought. They are a VERY organized and unified group. Going to be tough to beat it unless the opposition is equally organized and unified.
 
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So, the OSTA is pushing for it like I thought. They are a VERY organized and unified group. Going to be tough to beat it unless the opposition is equally organized and unified.

I'm willing to bet they kept it off their website, forum, and news section for a reason. Vocal public oposition is a bitch regardless of how organized and unified a group is.
 

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It seems to me, organized or not, it has to be a small group. There simply are not that many trappers in this state. It also seems they are making a bad move here, angering folks who have historically “had their back”. If this was their idea, I’m not a fan. I don’t mind the bit about trapping running concurrently with existing fur bearing trapping season. Makes a little sense, really. But, requiring a fur taker permit? Nah. That’s bull. Requiring a fur taker permit for anything is bull actually. I remember when a small game license was all that was required and think that should still be sufficient. I think I heard once upon a time the fur taker permit was OSTA’s brainchild too, but not certain on that.
 
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I am not a coyote hunter, but I shoot any coyote I see. I don’t mind wasting an arrow on a coyote or a hot load of #5’s when turkey hunting. I have never picked one up after shooting it they are usually nasty.
If they change the law I will buy the permit because I tend to be law abiding. But I would think most people will just shoot them anyway permit or not.
I did sign the petition and contributed a couple bucks.


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With fur prices they way they are in this country they should just drop the damn fur bearer's license and put it under the regular hunting license anyway. Seems stupid to have to pay extra to kill something you cannot sell for much of a profit anymore.

I was reading an article the other day that the only reason Coyote prices are so high is largely because of a single company in Canada using it as a trim fur in a goose jacket. Some super popular parka.
 

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(I've got a little time to kill before I head out for an evening deer hunt so, I thought I'd share why I hunt coyotes today with you all.)

Two years ago, my trail cameras caught something that absolutely pissed me off and pushed me over the edge. That day, I decided to hunt coyotes specifically with a gun.

I wish I would've made that decision much earlier in my life because after the fact, I found out that it's a lot of fun & quite challenging 'TOO'.

(Yes,,, I'm fully aware I can trap coyotes far more effectively than shooting them. I've looked in it, researched it & cost it out. I will at some point I'm sure.)

The only satisfaction I get when I take coyote out is knowing that I most likely saved another fawn and/or someone's pet.

I live not too far from a subdivision where several homeowners over the past few years have posted pictures of their lost pet on utility poles and/or on 'Facebook'. (My wife has the FB account and she tells me about it often. I don't do social media.)

I've experienced & witnessed more than a few times while deer hunting just how effective & efficient killers a pair of coyotes can be in Ohio.

Here's the aftermath of one of my close-encounters were two coyotes ran down this young deer. All three of them flew right by me just yards away at lighting speed during first light. I found the deer within 150 yards of my home while hiking out.
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None of my reasons of hunting coyotes today has anything to do with making any kind of money.

I'll kill every one that offers up any kind of opportunity regardless the method at hand during the moment.

I hope that this ludicrous proposal gets shot down!

30 second TC clip, the short version.

The longer 9 minute version with background music that shows a couple of coyotes stalking the pregnant doe prior to what was shown in the previous shorter version, which I found her dead the following day just within 70 yards from my back door of my house.
 

jagermeister

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With fur prices they way they are in this country they should just drop the damn fur bearer's license and put it under the regular hunting license anyway. Seems stupid to have to pay extra to kill something you cannot sell for much of a profit anymore.
I get what you’re saying, and I don’t completely disagree. However we have to keep in mind that PETA and the anti’s want to ban trapping altogether. It’s inherently viewed as “inhumane” by many people, uneducated people. And in certain instances, it can be inhumane. That’s where the furbearer permit comes in. It requires folks to demonstrate knowledge and proficiency in trapping before they can legally go trap furbearers. It’s one of the legs we have to stand out when arguing our right to trap and the ethical standards we adhere to. If there were no permit, and therefore no requirement to demonstrate knowledge of trapping, the anti’s could/would have a field day with animal cruelty claims and rampant examples of dipshit trappers, especially in today’s age of social media. Is the furbearer permit an infringement on our right to trap? Maybe. But you can also say it’s one of the few things helping to protect that right. Just ask the folks out in California.
 
So, that makes good sense. If someone wants to trap, they should do the course, buy the license. If you're gonna trap, do it right. But if someone wants to hunt, we should be able to shoot on sight. Good compromise?

That is how it is setup in PA. If you want to trap you have to have a Furbearers license. If you want to hunt them then you only need a valid General hunting license. PA also requires a certification to use cable restraints.
 

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Spoke for over an hour to OSTA president Keith Daniels.

It has been the position of the OSTA board for the last 4-5 years that coyote trapping should follow the requirements to have a fur taker permit and align with the furbearer season.

However

They did not push for the recently proposed rule change, that was the ODNRs decision. For many years there has been a split decision at the DNR over the rule. The Director decided to move forward with it.


The reason for OSTA support is the reduce negative public exposure caused by untrained hunters using snares and traps to target coyotes. It's their belief that requiring a further permit and thus a trappers ed class will reduce negative issues. They have been instances of deer, pets, and other non-target incidentals. His position is an understandable one. When fluffy gets snared its not the hunters' phone that's being blown up by the news, it's OSTAs.

15 bucks and a self-paced online trapper ed class is a small price to pay for any deer hunter who wants to ethically trap coyotes.

My opinion.

I agreed with a lot he had to say and can understand their position. I made mention thaI I think support could be gained for the permit requirement easier than reducing the season to align with other furbearers. He did make mention again that while they support the proposal it is not something they pursued as they have other more important fights.

The reason for supporting the limited season was again along the lines of public opinion. It's a hard sell for trappers if an anti-group throws out an ad of a dead snared momma coyote by a den with starving pups scattered around her.

One thing he mentioned heavily was unity and understanding. We need to provide a unified front and make appropriate changes to reduce negative public opinion. While I agreed I told him it was going to be a tough sell to deer hunters who view them as a nuisance. By in large the main reason we're seeing deer hunters target coyotes is due to the deer population reduction efforts of the ODNR. Hunters are looking to do whatever they can to preserve and grow what they have and coyotes are an easy target to help rebound their personal deer population numbers.
 

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Dead momma yote with lost pups WILL be the image PETA and HSUS use. This will eventually end all coyote contests as well. I'm over this issue already. ODNR will do what it wants. Hunters/trappers will bicker amongst each other. As I understand it, we will need to pay for a fur bearer permit to shoot them. Nothing will change the season. We will simply need to pay more. If trapping them we would need to take the class.
 

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Dead momma yote with lost pups WILL be the image PETA and HSUS use. This will eventually end all coyote contests as well. I'm over this issue already. ODNR will do what it wants. Hunters/trappers will bicker amongst each other. As I understand it, we will need to pay for a fur bearer permit to shoot them. Nothing will change the season. We will simply need to pay more. If trapping them we would need to take the class.

Yes but one could argue they will obtain something just as damming with or without the proposed changes. I've never been a fan of taking something away to prevent something that can easily be shown in other ways.

One could have the same argument about broadheads and arrows sticking out of deer. The ability for the antis to find a lost doe in January with two fawns inside should not be reason enough to end deer season after the rut.

If we start down that while we could easily legislate ourselves I to nothing.
 
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