2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

[Hedgelj]

Conspiracy theory post for the day

The corona Virus has traveled the entire world from Wuhan, but it did not significantly infect Beijing and Shanghai...

The Chinese Stock Market didn't crash....American and European Markets have....

How to dominate the world quickly? Collapse other markets and buy $hundreds of billions (or $trillions) worth of the depressed stocks at bargain basement prices.

How to do it?

1. Bioengineer a virus and a vaccine/ anti-viral meds

2. Spread the virus locally and blame it on animal sources in open markets.

3. Miraculously build hospitals in a few days, fully stocked with ventilators, meds, etc. After all, you knew in advance and were already prepared, with the project plans, equipment, labor, power, water and sewage networks, prefabricated building materials, etc.

4. Sacrifice several thousand expendable citizens, sending hundreds Europe, the US and elsewhere to immediately create a pandemic before other countries can make significant preparations.

5. Short the stock markets.

6. Stop shipments of needed medicines and medical supplies (the vast majority of which you control) to other countries.

7. Wait for stock markets to fall and buy major European and US companies for pennies on the dollar.

8. Wait for commodity prices to fall and buy, buy, buy- oil, gold, copper, silver, etc.


9. Quickly control the epidemic in your own country.

10. Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Sell critical items to those countries at markedly inflated prices, further decimating their economies.


Recall that China's President Xi Jinping...just wore a simple RM1 facemask to visit Wuhan. As President he should have been covered from head to toe, unless he was already vaccinated weeks or even months before.

China waited many weeks before notifying the rest of the world about the epidemic in Wuhan, ensuring that the infected had plenty of time to travel to the US and Europe. The Chinese doctor who warned about the virus was silenced by the Chinese authorities, placed under arrest and soon died.

If you think the Chinese would never consider such sinister actions, read the 2015 book by Chinese colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, “Unrestricted Warfare: China’s master plan to destroy America”, on Amazon.

 

[Blan37]

I like that guy. Calm, well reasoned, armed with facts. Maher was squirming quite a bit there. lol

Great quote down in the comment thread: “Truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose and it will defend itself.” ~ St. Augustine

 

[Jackalope]

Ole Bill just got his intellectual ass spanked.

 

[Ohiosam]

Ole Bill just got his intellectual ass spanked.

I enjoyed it when Maher kept trying to talk and couldn’t. Lol

 

[Blan37]

Conspiracy theory post for the day

IMO that's a stretch...The Chinese government is evil enough, but I'm not sure they smart enough to have planned it going exactly like it has.. I guess it's possible, but I don't think so.

More likely it's that our brains are really, really good pattern recognition machines that attempt to find meaning in information whether it's a cloud, an ink blot or current events. But the things it sees or patterns it discerns aren't always real.

 

[Blan37]

So more evidence that the infection rate is a lot higher than we know. All the more reason for people who feel healthy to wear masks if out it in public.

After noticing the cluster, the program decided to test everyone at the Pine Street Inn and discovered that 36% of the 397 homeless people staying at the shelter were positive for the coronavirus, reports the news agency. But even more shocking, none of them were exhibiting symptoms.

According to Fox-30, the Center for Disease Control is now “actively” investigating the program’s findings and the people who tested positive have since been moved elsewhere and placed in isolation.

Dr. Jim O’Connell, the president of Boston Health Care for the Homeless, has called the results surprising, particularly for the potential implications on future coronavirus screenings.

“It was like a double knockout punch. The number of positives was shocking, but the fact that 100 percent of the positives had no symptoms was equally shocking,” said Dr. O’Connell, reports the news agency. “How much of the COVID virus is being passed by people who don’t even know they have it?”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/home...sitors-test-positive-nearly-all-asymptomatic/

 

[Jackalope]

So more evidence that the infection rate is a lot higher than we know. All the more reason for people who feel healthy to wear masks if out it in public.



https://www.dailywire.com/news/home...sitors-test-positive-nearly-all-asymptomatic/

Yeah. I would be lying if I didnt say I had a raised eyebrow though. Somethings amiss. Perhaps because the ones who showed symptoms had already been identified and separated. I'd be interested to know how many they tested with symptoms prior to deciding to test everyone at pine tree. The 36% rate is really close to the understood 40% rate that do not show symptoms.

 

[Hedgelj]

IMO that's a stretch...The Chinese government is evil enough, but I'm not sure they smart enough to have planned it going exactly like it has.. I guess it's possible, but I don't think so.

More likely it's that our brains are really, really good pattern recognition machines that attempt to find meaning in information whether it's a cloud, an ink blot or current events. But the things it sees or patterns it discerns aren't always real.

check this out

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251656297843490822

 

[Ohiosam]

COLUMBUS, Ohio — When Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine announced last week plans to start reopening the state on May 1, he didn't offer many details.

During an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press Sunday morning, DeWine offered some new insight into what Ohioans can expect.

"We’re going to do what we think is right -- what I think is right -- and that is try to open this economy, but do it very, very carefully so we don’t get a lot of people killed. But we have to come back, and that’s what we’re aiming to do beginning on May 1. Frankly, it’s consistent, it’s very, very consistent with the plan, the very thoughtful plan, that the President has laid out.”

President Trump's plan works through three different phases, which you can read in full HERE. Since DeWine is saying his strategy to reopen Ohio is "very consistent" with the guidelines from the Trump administration, here's an outline of the White House plan that may provide a hint of what Ohioans can expect...

PHASE 1
INDIVIDUALS:

• ALL VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS should continue to shelter in place. Members of households with vulnerable residents should be aware that by returning to work or other environments where distancing is not practical, they could carry the virus back home. Precautions should be taken to isolate from vulnerable residents.
• All individuals, WHEN IN PUBLIC (e.g., parks, outdoor recreation areas, shopping areas), should maximize physical distance from others. Social settings of more than 10 people, where appropriate distancing may not be practical, should be avoided unless precautionary measures are observed.
• Avoid SOCIALIZING in groups of more than 10 people in circumstances that do not readily allow for appropriate physical distancing (e.g., receptions, trade shows)
• MINIMIZE NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL and adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel.

EMPLOYERS:

• Continue to ENCOURAGE TELEWORK, whenever possible and feasible with business operations.
• If possible, RETURN TO WORK IN PHASES.
• Close COMMON AREAS where personnel are likely to congregate and interact, or enforce strict social distancing protocols.
• Minimize NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL and adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel.
• Strongly consider SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS for personnel who are members of a VULNERABLE POPULATION.

SPECIFIC TYPES OF EMPLOYERS:

• SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZED YOUTH ACTIVITIES (e.g., daycare, camp) that are currently closed should remain closed.
• VISITS TO SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES AND HOSPITALS should be prohibited. Those who do interact with residents and patients must adhere to strict protocols regarding hygiene.
• LARGE VENUES (e.g., sit-down dining, movie theaters, sporting venues, places of worship) can operate under strict physical distancing protocols.
• ELECTIVE SURGERIES can resume, as clinically appropriate, on an outpatient basis at facilities that adhere to CMS guidelines.
• GYMS can open if they adhere to strict physical distancing and sanitation protocols.
• BARS should remain closed.

PHASE 2
INDIVIDUALS:

• ALL VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS should continue to shelter in place. Members of households with vulnerable residents should be aware that by returning to work or other environments where distancing is not practical, they could carry the virus back home. Precautions should be taken to isolate from vulnerable residents.
• All individuals, WHEN IN PUBLIC (e.g., parks, outdoor recreation areas, shopping areas), should maximize physical distance from others. Social settings of more than 50 people, where appropriate distancing may not be practical, should be avoided unless precautionary measures are observed.
• NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL can resume.

EMPLOYERS:

• Continue to ENCOURAGE TELEWORK, whenever possible and feasible with business operations.
• Close COMMON AREAS where personnel are likely to congregate and interact, or enforce moderate social distancing protocols.
• Strongly consider SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS for personnel who are members of a VULNERABLE POPULATION.

SPECIFIC TYPES OF EMPLOYERS:

• SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZED YOUTH ACTIVITIES (e.g., daycare, camp) can reopen.
• VISITS TO SENIOR CARE FACILITIES AND HOSPITALS should be prohibited. Those who do interact with residents and patients must adhere to strict protocols regarding hygiene.
• LARGE VENUES (e.g., sit-down dining, movie theaters, sporting venues, places of worship) can operate under moderate physical distancing protocols.
• ELECTIVE SURGERIES can resume, as clinically appropriate, on an outpatient and in-patient basis at facilities that adhere to CMS guidelines.
• GYMS can remain open if they adhere to strict physical distancing and sanitation protocols.
• BARS may operate with diminished standing-room occupancy, where applicable and appropriate.

PHASE 3
INDIVIDUALS:

• VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS can resume public interactions, but should practice physical distancing, minimizing exposure to social settings where distancing may not be practical, unless precautionary measures are observed.
• LOW-RISK POPULATIONS should consider minimizing time spent in crowded environments.

EMPLOYERS:

• Resume UNRESTRICTED STAFFING of worksites.

SPECIFIC TYPES OF EMPLOYERS:

• VISITS TO SENIOR CARE FACILITIES AND HOSPITALS can resume. Those who interact with residents and patients must be diligent regarding hygiene.
• LARGE VENUES (e.g., sit-down dining, movie theaters, sporting venues, places of worship) can operate under limited physical distancing protocols.
• GYMS can remain open if they adhere to standard sanitation protocols.
• BARS may operate with increased standing room occupancy, where applicable.

DeWine's comments came after also addressing protesters who demonstrated in Columbus on Saturday demanding the state be reopened.

“The only thing that I’ve asked our protesters to do is to observe social distancing. We’re all deep believers in the First Amendment. They were protesting against me yesterday, and that’s just fine. They have every right to do that.

DeWine, however, has remained silent on his plan regarding K-12 schools, saying details will be released at some point this week. He has also faced criticism as some argue May 1 is too early to start the reopening process.


https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/h...aL4LqIIUFtorQYpLKSfF9jwRAcymmIxvlaA5dPjfq7UfA

 

[Steelheadtracker]

I think you missed my point or I delivered it wrong. Point being, people are going to doctors for other reasons and finding out they have covid 19.

Example, I break my arm in a drunken accident with my stairs. I go in and they start asking me other questions about my health. Next thing you know I’m “likely” to have it or I’ve been tested. The arm being broke had nothing to do with covid. But it is what put me in front of medical professionals.

This is not true. I work for 2 different hospital systems. There is a very specific set of criteria in order for someone to qualify to be tested. Even if you were there for a broken arm for instance and requested a test because you were worried about having it but no symptoms you would be denied testing.

 

[Blan37]

check this out

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251656297843490822

Good video.

Yeah, like I said, the Chinese gov is evil. I just don't think they are smart enough to have thought this all through from the standpoint of some kind of master plan. "Let's release a man-made virus on purpose, sit on it for a while, stage a fake cover up, crash the world markets but not our own, wait till commodities drop and then buy all the gold and silver, etc..."

 

[Blan37]

Yeah. I would be lying if I didnt say I had a raised eyebrow though. Somethings amiss. Perhaps because the ones who showed symptoms had already been identified and separated. I'd be interested to know how many they tested with symptoms prior to deciding to test everyone at pine tree. The 36% rate is really close to the understood 40% rate that do not show symptoms.

Yeah, if those numbers play out to the rest of the population then that'd really throw the high mortality rate theory under the bus.

If even 15% of the population has had it, or currently has it and is asymptomatic, that's 50 million people. I think the current death rate in the US is around 40,000. Let's even up that to 50000. That's .1% (on par with the seasonal flu).

Here's a thought... If this is double the deaths of the flu (meaning, we're currently dealing with flu cases as it is and now we're adding COVID on top of that), would that be enough to generate the scenes we're currently seeing in NY & other parts of the world? In other words, would flu x 2 be enough to overwhelm the system and cause the scenes we're seeing?

 

[Hedgelj]

Here's a thought... If this is double the deaths of the flu, would that be enough to generate the scenes we're currently seeing in NY & other parts of the world? In other words, would flu x 2 be enough to overwhelm the system and cause the scenes we're seeing?

The difference is we know how to treat the flu, still figuring out the best treatment for this.

I think the average patient that goes in the hospital is there for 2-3 weeks, and double that if they get intubated and placed on a ventilator (assuming they live as being placed on a ventilator has a greater than 50% death rate).

 

[Jackalope]

Yeah, if those numbers play out to the rest of the population then that'd really throw the high mortality rate theory under the bus.

If even 15% of the population has had it, or currently has it and is asymptomatic, that's 50 million people. I think the current death rate in the US is around 40,000. Let's even up that to 50000. That's .1% (on par with the seasonal flu).

Here's a thought... If this is double the deaths of the flu (meaning, we're currently dealing with flu cases as it is and now we're adding COVID on top of that), would that be enough to generate the scenes we're currently seeing in NY & other parts of the world? In other words, would flu x 2 be enough to overwhelm the system and cause the scenes we're seeing?

I believe so. About 50% of the US population gets the flu vaccine. So theoretically, if COVID was equally as deadly and contagous as the flu, then the demand on medical resources would be double than that of a typical flu season. The problem is covid seems to place far more demand on the system from normal otherwise healthy people also.

 

[Blan37]

The difference is we know how to treat the flu, still figuring out the best treatment for this.

I think the average patient that goes in the hospital is there for 2-3 weeks, and double that if they get intubated and placed on a ventilator (assuming they live as being placed on a ventilator has a greater than 50% death rate).

About the ventilator numbers... I wonder if it's the ventilators or if it's just that the people who have to be put on them are just so sick that death is going to be a high percentage no matter what.

Dang.. edit - NY death rate is 80% on ventilators: https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...ors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4

 

[triple_duece]

 

[hickslawns]

Good to see there is respectable debate taking place. I can only think of one interaction that has me scratching my head. As to where we currently sit, here are my worries:
1) We still don't know if you can catch this virus twice or three times or more. The CDC is saying you can. This nullifies the theory of "let me get it and be done with it."
2) we have so much conflicting data. Seems as though the death rate is not going to be on the high end of the spectrum. This is great, yet we have NYC getting pummeled. Weird.
3) even if they get a vaccine, how many will choose to get it? I won't.
4) For those testing positive for antibodies, is it Covid-19 they had or another strain of corona virus?
5) my nephew has recovered. Still a bit worn out, but doing okay. He graduated 2 years ago. Went to state in track and cross country. Pretty healthy kid but a couple weeks later he is still easily fatigued. What other lasting effects are we going to find? How much worse will they be for someone who is not as healthy as my 20yr old nephew?
6) Nephew wanted to donate plasma to aide in the research. He is finding it is a challenge to donate plasma. The Specifics escape me, but my sister said there are some hoops just to donate plasma for the cause. Bureaucracy at work.
7) Princess Cruise ship data still has me baffled. They were a petri dish for the virus. Tight quarters. Lots of interaction. Older crowd. Yet only a fraction got the virus? There has got to be some statistics gurus who could use their data to make projections but it doesn't seem like a study has been done. None I have heard of anyway.

 

[Jackalope]

Princess Cruise ship data still has me baffled. They were a petri dish for the virus. Tight quarters. Lots of interaction. Older crowd. Yet only a fraction got the virus?

Once it was identified they were quarantined to their rooms pretty quick.

 

[Ohiosam]

Once it was identified they were quarantined to their rooms pretty quick.

But it seems people can be very contagious before symptoms appear. if that’s true the lock down would have been to late.

 

[Jackalope]

But it seems people can be very contagious before symptoms appear. if that’s true the lock down would have been to late.

Yeah depends on who came in contact with who before lockdown. People are most contagous when showing symptoms because they cough and sneeze more.