2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

[Lake Erie Fish Doctor]

Too what extent? What’s the expected long term issues with doing that? Asking as a lay person.

I will use an analogy, it helps the students understand so I use them a lot but bear with me

When the disease progresses to your upper and lower respiratory tracts, breathing diminishes and the virus seems to start to affect your alveoli and branch. structures. So you start to loose oxygen which is serious and can lead to organ failure -- commonly acute respiratory distress syndrome which can then lead to card. and other other failures in short time in sufficient oxygen isn't coursing the body. So we have no other options at this time but to get oxygen into your system through ventilation. You are correct in that there are issues and some people it is not enough and promotes stress on the body that may exacerbate the condition but we have no other options for some patients. Post-ICU syndrome is something we have to consider and in some cases, even this doesn't seem to work properly. It's all very odd. Patients will do fine and then within hours, are unstable.

Wait, so you don’t want to treat people that follow the president? Or that believe in other treatments? I’m confused, but it sure sounds like you don’t want to do your job because of someone’s beliefs or political followings.

I said if the president knows more than the medical agencies he doubts from who we get our treatment courses, then he can send you instructions for treatment and I will follow them. I am not saying I will not treat Trump supporters, what I said was if they believe he knows more than Fauci and Redford then give me his treatment plans next time you come to the clinic.


"I won't wear a mask because I don't like to be told what to do, and I don't like to be told what not to do. I also look at the data and this is no more scary than the flu, CHF, pneumonia, diabetes, etc. Dont like it? Keep your distance and wash your hands. I do the same sans mask."

If I told you that you carry a gene that gives you 100% chance of having prostate cancer and there is a treatment we can do and a food you have to give up thereafter, would you do it? Or are you against being told you WILL get cancer.
-- important -- alike families who won't vax their children. IDGAF about you - I care about the children who cannot get the vaccine due to medical conditions and shouldn't have to worry about Mumps and Measles since it was basically eradicated but bc this movement it is returning in the US. It is the people who are high-risk and they come into contact with you, while they are masked, and get it. The research has shown (real non pharmaceutical non Trump non whatever) studies that have shown if someone infected is not wearing a mask and you are wearing a mask but the common cloth one -- you are still at fairly high risk of getting infected.

Why do you think masks are common in many populous Asian countries, because they proved it can drastically lower viral spreading.

 

[Lake Erie Fish Doctor]

FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.

 

[Redhunter1012]

FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.

How often do you guys get tested for it?

 

[Lake Erie Fish Doctor]

It is offered on-site with request but its really if you are symptomatic you get it before you can enter. We are temperature checked 2x before entering

 

[triple_duece]

The facts are, if you don’t know the proper way to don and doff PPE the laymen person is exposing themselves to cross contamination 10 fold. Even happens in the responder/medical field, even worse when someone from the streets has no idea.

I don’t mean to sound like a shit in my post. I may have upset some. I’m not an anti-vaxer, Tin foil hat wearer, dummy off the street nor a sheep, I try to find the middle ground and balance in my life, whether that be faith or fear. I tend to feel like I control my destiny here on the soil. I try to do best practices if they seem sensible to me.

Everyone is entitle to their opinion, belief and faith and feelings. I’ve enjoyed reading this thread and formed my own opinion of where I stand. Being 53 and w a household of family, I have the responsibility to protect me and mines. We wear face mask if we feel our health could be at risk in certain places. Most time I keep my distance and we are homebodies so not a ton of interaction w the type of people that could jeopardize what My intentions of comfort. Now my 20 something age kids throw a monkey wrench in my system. They are my weak links. They young, healthy and generally DGAF and think this is a farce. All the while we are taking care of my father of almost 82 years old.

So like me and most others the pandemic has taken a toll of my emotions and feelings. I’ve gone from fear to fuck it several times. The uncertainly, which hangs over our heads, I feel is what most people fear. As of now the world is still guessing what’s gonna happen and along with what is the best treatment. Herd immunity isn’t working and there is 17 strains. Only 1% has had it here with 260,000 people in my parish (county) and the death rate is way down passed the decimal point.

It’s real! Needs to be respected like any real disease. That doesn’t mean run and hide in your closet. It means to act responsibly, until the covid is correctly diagnosed and known spread measures are true we can over come this. I see it the same as the flu, no more no less.

So now you know, triple douche mic drop lol

 

[Jackalope]

FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.

Question. Where were you and the rest of your heroes when Dr Fauci was standing there on TV telling Americans not to wear masks and that masks should be saved for medical people. Where were you when the entire health of the American public was being put in jeopardy because the private hospitals you work for put profits ahead of preparedness resulting in them being unprepared for what people have been warning for years was likely to happen. Where were you when the American people were being blatantly lied to about the effectiveness of masks so that hospitals could suck up supply. This isn't a hoax, Fauci admitted that the reason he pushed for people not to wear masks was because the healyhcare system didn't have enough. The CDC backed it up with a bunch of BS propaganda about how masks don't protect you and the only reason doctors wear them is to keep their germs away from others. Yet now you expect people to believe what those same people have to say today. All that talk about flattening the curve to get numbers below medical capacity. Absolutly no talk about needing to massively increase the medical capacity. A mask is not a solution, a mask only prolongs the inevitable. Either we create a vaccine, or enough people get it to establish herd immunity, and neither has been scientifically proven to provide a viable immunity. This a highly courageous virus that has disasterous consequences for a small portion of the population, despite our best efforts people will die, the vast majority will not. Here in America we have been blessed for a long time with our ability to extend the life of individuals with chronic health conditions well beyond their past life expectancy. Diseases like hepatitis, lupus, asthma, and obesiety related diseases like high blood pressure, conjestive heart failure etc are all very treatable conditions and decades have been added to these people lives. Unfortunately a virus like this doesn't give a shit about out ability to treat common diseases and prolong life, it will kill people. It sucks, but sucky shit has happend many many times since humans have existed on this earth. This sucks, but life will go on.

If you need me to help reset your password Eric I can send you one from your old account.

 

[Hunter II]

A fat guy telling everyone how to stay healthy?
Are you more likely to die from heart disease or covid?


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[finelyshedded]

Didn’t I see Or hear where 1.5 million people world wide died of TB last year? If that’s true, why wasn’t there “massive amounts of hysteria and doctors proclaiming the country and all its Schools and businesses need to shut down till it is under control? Why wasn’t it listed as a pandemic? Didn’t those lives matter? What age classes did TB kill last year? How does Covid stats stack up to TB?

 

[Steelheadtracker]

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.

Covid aside, i find it ironic you are ridiculing people for not doing things to prevent illness yet, you have admitted you are over weight and unhealthy. Obesity leads to many illnesses such as heart disease, diabetes, CHF, sleep apnea, ect. Why do you not pracitce what you preach and take preventitive measures to prevent yourself from the many illnesses you are at risk for if you are in fact over weight and not healthy as you suggest? Not trying to be mean and I am not saying whether you should or should not wear a mask. However, to ridicule others for not doing something preventative as you yourself has admitted is hypocritical.

 

[Lake Erie Fish Doctor]

I believe we should wear masks regularly during Flu season. He shouldn't have said that, it was wrong and potentially propagated the spread. I heard he did say that the masks should go to the healthcare facilities because there was a true fear they would run out and luckily they didn't. But it was still not a good decision on his part.


515 people died of TB in 2017 according to the CDC.


3/4 of American are overweight and there are complications associated with being overweight termed metabolic syndrome yes. - spreading of a virus and body mass are apples and boats. Very different.

 

[Steelheadtracker]

Pretty sure heart disease and heart failure are very high up on the causing of deaths in America, so not really apples to boats. Obesity related disease and deaths are just as preventable.

 

[triple_duece]

So how does the flu differ than Covid? It’s been around much longer and kills more than Covid, except for this year no one has died from the flu. Very strange huh?

There were no pandemic measures for the flu, what’s changed? Oh you want mail in voting!

Number 8 cause of death

 

[Sgt Fury]

I really hope that J isn’t sipping on whiskey right now!

 

[Blan37]

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I was wondering when you’d show up with a meme, Sarge. [emoji23]


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[triple_duece]

Seems to me the dumb fuckers of the world knew more than the drs by buying all the shit paper available when this broke out. For the record, shitting your sphincter out wasn’t an aliment at the time covid came out

And now the people are supposed to believe anything that is told to them. Drs still don’t have a stranglehold on Covid after using every resource available to the world along w trillions of dollars thrown at it. Yeah that gives me the warm and fuzzies.

 

[hickslawns]

Pretty sure heart disease and heart failure are very high up on the causing of deaths in America, so not really apples to boats. Obesity related disease and deaths are just as preventable.

All good points. I won't jump on him for it though. I've seen plenty of coaches who sucked in the sport they coach. There is a reason they are a coach and not an athlete. I'll listen to an overweight doctor, but I won't buy a steak from a vegetarian butcher. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

Thanks for your further posts, doctor. Better bedside manner a than the earlier ones. I appreciate hearing first hand reports. Fortunately for my area, the only reports I've heard are from my wife's best friend. She has been on a Covid unit for two months. Has one patient in serious condition. She says the patient would be in trouble if she had flu or other virus due to pre-existing conditions. Other input from former coworker of my wife on a Covid floor. More patients to tend to, but sounds like things are settling down. Then my business partner (family practitioner) has offered some insight as well. His nursing homes have been more challenging since Feb. Otherwise his amish communities are the issue because they do what they want. Zero distancing. No masks. When one person gets it they don't seem to change their ways. I'd say I've had a fair amount of firsthand info. I'm still not concerned. I'm just going to continue enjoying my avoidance of people.

 

[Jackalope]

Pretty sure heart disease and heart failure are very high up on the causing of deaths in America, so not really apples to boats. Obesity-related diseases and deaths are just as preventable.

Everyone should do their part and request restaurants only serve saucer-sized plates of food. Even if you're a healthy person with no weight issues it's about protecting your fellow citizens from their lack of personal accountability and responsibility. State and federal governments should pass ordinances and issue statewide mandates that restaurants and people should not consume more than the daily FDA recommended food portions under penalty of law. We all have to do our part to end the obesity epidemic as obesity-related conditions are the leading cause of preventable death in America. We must act individually to prevent others from being able to become obese and settle for mandated smaller portion sizes. But let's not stop there. Governments should mandate that alcohol consumption by all individuals should not exceed the 7 drinks a week limit to be considered a heavy drinker. By allowing restaurants and bars to operate with impunity and serve customers who don't abide by this puts everyone at risk of developing alcoholism. We're all in this together and we all have to do our part.

 

[giles]

Everyone should do their part and request restaurants only serve saucer-sized plates of food. Even if you're a healthy person with no weight issues it's about protecting your fellow citizens from their lack of personal accountability and responsibility. State and federal governments should pass ordinances and issue statewide mandates that restaurants and people should not consume more than the daily FDA recommended food portions under penalty of law. We all have to do our part to end the obesity epidemic as obesity-related conditions are the leading cause of preventable death in America. We must act individually to prevent others from being able to become obese and settle for mandated smaller portion sizes. But let's not stop there. Governments should mandate that alcohol consumption by all individuals should not exceed the 7 drinks a week limit to be considered a heavy drinker. By allowing restaurants and bars to operate with impunity and serve customers who don't abide by this puts everyone at risk of developing alcoholism. We're all in this together and we all have to do our part.

Hey, you shut up!

 

[Outside]

While it’s true that once in a Hospital, the only thing most people will receive is supportive therapy. Nonetheless, I’ve become tired of hearing the nagging from healthcare workers.

Factually, public health professionals used a flawed study to guide old folks into places where they could contract the disease. 40-65% of deaths in Ohio & NY are from patients older than 50. In NY, more people died in adult care facilities from SARS-CoV2 than died in 9/11.

That didn’t happen because of mask compliance. It occurred because of poor decision making.

We are nearing a point where people are simply ignoring public health guidance, because that guidance sounds like Charlie Brown’s Mom ...”wonk wonk wonk”

If you feel obligated to wear a mask, please do so.


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[finelyshedded]

I believe we should wear masks regularly during Flu season. He shouldn't have said that, it was wrong and potentially propagated the spread. I heard he did say that the masks should go to the healthcare facilities because there was a true fear they would run out and luckily they didn't. But it was still not a good decision on his part.


515 people died of TB in 2017 according to the CDC.

3/4 of American are overweight and there are complications associated with being overweight termed metabolic syndrome yes. - spreading of a virus and body mass are apples and boats. Very different.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis

I guess it says 2018 but it wasn’t an issue cuz it wasn’t an election year. My point was EVERYTHING has become political including this new strain of SARS virus which was sent here courtesy of a communist country that hates us and wants to dominate the world. What’s sad is Fox News is about the only mainstream news media that has even mentioned that or implied that narrative.
This country and its citizens need to band together but this country is the most divided I have ever seen it. Trump hasn’t caused this division, IMO rather than the hatred of him along with 90% of the mainstream media feeding their audience with fake or altered anti Trump BS.