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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

RedCloud

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Hope you get to feeling better very soon and thanks for sharing!
Sharing is key. If we all just keep the info to ourselves we only hurt those around us. Like I said, I can't say 100% either way and before covid I would just say it was a seasonal bug. Love springtime in ohio with the huge temp swings and with all the damn rain.
 
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Fletch

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By "large amount" you mean between 0.5 and 1% of the population.
What percent of the population will be adversely affected is unknown... What I do know is I'm 69 years old and have never seen an illness that has shaken up the world as this has... This is scary to say the least...

Redcloud hope your feeling better...
 

Fletch

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Wonder if all those pre deployment shots and malaria drugs we took will aid in the contagiousness of all of this? Helluva cocktail flowing through veins....
J.... Let's hope those drugs along with the alcohol keeps you healthy... I'm sure it can't hurt... Stay secluded in your little compound down there and you'll survive...
 
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I'd like to say 'thank you' to everyone that has participated in this thread.

This thread is quickly rising up in the category, perhaps soon to become near the top of all the threads.

It just goes to show how this interactive community truly cares which I completely appreciate and take to heart.

Just imagine what it would be like if we didn't have the means of this kind of technology that we have today.

Please keep up the good work as the digital soldiers that you are.

Thank you!
 

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Part of a discussion I had last night with my 25 y/o daughter who works as a charge nurse(shift leader) in a Cardiac ICU...

From dad that's been deployed to 5 different shooting matches... that apprehension you are probably feeling, that sourness in your gut, as you get closer to known danger is normal. You may and you may not see the other side of this. Your fears are not unfounded, your team (your family, your friends, your co-workers, bosses and subordinates) need you to be the solid, objective, compassionate emotional rock.

How you behave, manage and control yourself as this ugliness unfolds will last thru your lifetime. It is the essence of virtue and courage, that behavior is also contagious. It will be a necessary attribute as most certainly your patients and probably you or your teammates get hit with this.

Focus on positive leadership, getting your team what they need to be successful, filter your fears, practice Operational Risk Management and most of all believe in yourself, your team and America.

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5Cent

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I'd like to say 'thank you' to everyone that has participated in this thread.

This thread is quickly rising up in the category, perhaps soon to become near the top of all the threads.

It just goes to show how this interactive community truly cares which I completely appreciate and take to heart.

Just imagine what it would be like if we didn't have the means of this kind of technology that we have today.

Please keep up the good work as the digital soldiers that you are.

Thank you!

I learned a lot of shit over the radio when I was young. I'm sure ure old ass was around when the first tv was made😁🖕🍻

I'm just saying that's where'd we be without a screen, lol.
 
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Fletch

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By "large amount" you mean between 0.5 and 1% of the population.
One other tidbit... In my 69 years on this Earth I have never seen Flu kill 4 members of a family in the blink of an eye and hospitalize several other members in the same time frame... Just happened here in New Jersey... Now that makes you wonder where the hell are we going with this??? SCARY TO SAY THE LEAST....
 
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The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

Recommended Martin Wolf This pandemic is an ethical challenge 4 HOURS AGO But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a...egmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9
 

Tipmoose

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What percent of the population will be adversely affected is unknown... What I do know is I'm 69 years old and have never seen an illness that has shaken up the world as this has... This is scary to say the least...

Thats odd. I don't find it scary. I find it interesting that we have completely capitulated to it. That we no longer just go about our business and let nature do what nature does.

1% = over 3 million

Yep. It won't be anywhere near that, in my opinion though.

One other tidbit... In my 69 years on this Earth I have never seen Flu kill 4 members of a family in the blink of an eye and hospitalize several other members in the same time frame... Just happened here in New Jersey... Now that makes you wonder where the hell are we going with this??? SCARY TO SAY THE LEAST....

Again...its nature. This is what nature does. We are only one or two generations removed from having to deal with freakin smallpox. That god awful plague had a mortality rate of around 60%. And here we are all scared and huddled in our homes over something that has 1% of the lethality of smallpox. When did we all turn into such scared shrinking violets?
 

aholdren

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"Trump worries US will see 'suicides by the thousands' if coronavirus devastates economy"

This could be a big possibility, I think the stress from this is adding to the sickness.
 

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The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

Recommended Martin Wolf This pandemic is an ethical challenge 4 HOURS AGO But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a...egmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9

Interesting take but I doubt it was circulating in the population as an unknown before hospitals saw a massive uptick in people with respiratory failure. I mean we have a pretty good idea of the resulting impact. A sudden spike in patients with respiratory distress that need medical intervention and a large number of clustered deaths. To suggest that it existed in the wild for months before it started killing people would mean that the incubation period (from time of infection to time of serious medical need) would be measured in months, not days.
 

Clay Showalter

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Read the last sentence over and over gentlemen... LIFE IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ECONOMY... It sickens me to hear our leaders worried about the economy... Stop this virus NOW before it kills a large portion of our population...We are currently way behind the 8 ball with this virus... We have yet to see the worst of this virus as the shit has only begun to hit the fan...

It is a balancing act, I am all for flattening the curve, but at what cost? There is no way to stop a virus, there is no curve for a virus, the hope is for a vaccine.

People will die from this and it is sad, my mother has many underlying medical issues and can promise you that she almost certainly die if she got it.

I am not sure what the answer is, but I am not sure that killing the economy and driving unemployment to 20-30% is an answer.

Listen to the podcast that I posted, Buck Sexton has some valid points.
 
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Isaacorps

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"Trump worries US will see 'suicides by the thousands' if coronavirus devastates economy"

This could be a big possibility, I think the stress from this is adding to the sickness.

Maybe then the long standing epidemic of depression, loneliness, and mental illness that exists in this country will finally be brought to light. And only because it’s costing people money. Probably not though, it’ll be blamed on, “extreme circumstances”. Brush it aside and move along. What a crock of shit