J, you remember first time you tried climbing... Getting the coordination to hug, tilt your toes in and lift, then set your heels down.... That would have made one hell of a funny video.... I remember getting my older brother into archery hunting and he mastered climbing pretty quick... One morning I was up a tree in my baker and he was below me maybe 100 yds... All of a sudden a hear CRASH... So I go rushing down and see him standing at the bottom of the tree... Stand is all busted up and twist... So I ask WTF happened??? He responded: Since it was my first time, I decided to only go about 10 ft up... Then I stood as close to the tree as possible... Well we know how they work to get down... Put weight on the inside of stand is like tipping your toes... BOTTOM FLOOR PLEASE... Another time (about 2 weeks later) he's about 18 ft up and couldn't get his feet in the rubber stirrups... I had to put my stand on tree and go up under him and put the rubber around his heels...