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Coyote Study

CJD3

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Nature will almost always adjust.
She always has.

But I will gladly play my part...
 

Iowa_Buckeye

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I think you can't learn very much over just a 3 year study period. But do agree they won't be hunted or trapped hard enough to have any real impact on the population. Unless a worthwhile bounty system was put in place. Not sure who would even want to fund that though.
 

giles

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I’ve heard this before, but I’ve never heard anyone say stop chasing them... What kind of crap is that? Sounds like a hell of a pass time to me. One that’ll keep rebounding unlike our deer population. So I say kill as many as you want, more will come!






Or is this all hogwash and these are the glory days of coyote hunting...?
 

HillBuck

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It's only a matter of time before the state realizes they can make money from coyotes. I see an increase of hunters every year. Sooner or later the state will end up requiring a coyote tag much like deer or turkey. I know it sounds crazy but it will happen. If things keep going like they are, especially will EHD and other diseases seeming to move in on the deer herd, coyotes will be the only thing left to hunt and our wonderful wildlife department knows it.
 

Bigslam51

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It's only a matter of time before the state realizes they can make money from coyotes. I see an increase of hunters every year. Sooner or later the state will end up requiring a coyote tag much like deer or turkey. I know it sounds crazy but it will happen. If things keep going like they are, especially will EHD and other diseases seeming to move in on the deer herd, coyotes will be the only thing left to hunt and our wonderful wildlife department knows it.
I could see that happening
 

jagermeister

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Google Dan Flores Coyote America.

We will never get rid of coyotes. Humans have tried for millennia... They are the cockroach of the mammal world.

But regardless, I'm not going to stop killing them when given a chance.
 

Bigcountry40

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I think you can't learn very much over just a 3 year study period. But do agree they won't be hunted or trapped hard enough to have any real impact on the population. Unless a worthwhile bounty system was put in place. Not sure who would even want to fund that though.

There are coyote tournaments after deer season ends all over Ohio with cash prizes. I friends that consider that their "hunting season"
 

JOHNROHIO

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It's only a matter of time before the state realizes they can make money from coyotes. I see an increase of hunters every year. Sooner or later the state will end up requiring a coyote tag much like deer or turkey. I know it sounds crazy but it will happen. If things keep going like they are, especially will EHD and other diseases seeming to move in on the deer herd, coyotes will be the only thing left to hunt and our wonderful wildlife department knows it.

No way will that happen, it’s a fur bearing animal you don’t pay for tags on all the other fur animals other than your fur license and yotes is the only one that is not needed for. Who the hell would pay for tags on them.
 
I agree that unless a disease hits that wipes them out then you aren't ever going to get rid of them. I do think on a local level you can locally depress the population. However it would have to be a consistent fight to keep numbers low.
 

HillBuck

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No way will that happen, it’s a fur bearing animal you don’t pay for tags on all the other fur animals other than your fur license and yotes is the only one that is not needed for. Who the hell would pay for tags on them.

Im not saying it will happen soon or at all for that matter but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Also not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. Its all about money and how to capitalize. I'm sure way back when hunting license and tags were not required for any animal, hunters were thinking, "We will never have to pay extra to hunt". Boy were they wrong.
 

Jackalope

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We've always known that trapping causes an increase in breeding and immigration by other coyotes. The only real way to really kill them off would be to do so with a virus. A few year back a mysterious virus killed some domestic dogs in boarding kennels in Ohio and a couple other states. Canine circovirus. Not much is known about it other than its super deadly and usually kills in a few days with internal bleeding. It is also highly contagious. A well planned catch, infect, and release program would absolutely devastate them since they're a social pack animal that travel large distances. Point being, if a state wanted them dead there are options.

Years ago the screw fly was eradicated in the southern US by cultivating Flys then steralizing them with radiation and releasing them in the wild. The fertile wild insects spent precious breeding time screwing around with infertile partners. This reduce the propagation success rate year after year until they went extinct.
 

Blan37

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Google Dan Flores Coyote America.

We will never get rid of coyotes. Humans have tried for millennia... They are the cockroach of the mammal world.

But regardless, I'm not going to stop killing them when given a chance.

Google Dan Flores Coyote America.

We will never get rid of coyotes. Humans have tried for millennia... They are the cockroach of the mammal world.

But regardless, I'm not going to stop killing them when given a chance.

Dang. Googled it just now that and learned this:

The coyote evolved with an adaptive, evolutionarily derived strategy for surviving under persecution. Coyotes evolved alongside larger canids, like wolves, which often persecuted and harassed them and killed their pups. As a result, both jackals and coyotes developed this fission-fusion adaptation, which human beings also have. This enables them to either function as pack predators or as singles and pairs. When they’re persecuted, they tend to abandon the pack strategy and scatter across the landscape in singles and pairs. And the poison campaign was one of the things that kept scattering them across North America.


One of the other adaptations they have is that, whenever their populations are pressured, their litter sizes go up. The normal size is five to six pups. When their populations are suppressed, their litters get up as high as 12 to 16 pups. You can reduce the numbers of coyotes in a given area by 70 percent but the next summer their population will be back to the original number. They use their howls and yipping to create a kind of census of coyote populations. If their howls are not answered by other packs, it triggers an autogenic response that produces large litters.

source: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/08/coyote-america-dan-flores-history-science/
 

Bigslam51

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So by using a coyote caller in coyote verity, you could be triggering larger litters? 16 pups...that’s crazy!
How do you figure that? If you howl on a caller and get a response then that yote will think there is at least one more in the area. If you howl and get no response then your e-caller isn't going to pop out 16 yote pups.