Or the impact of a hunting season that this time around, runs until February 7? Last year was the first time I'd seen developed fetuses in a doe. Made me rethink late season doe kills.
What if?
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I understand what your saying, but what's the actual difference between shooting a pregnant doe during Archery/Gun seasons and late season?
I would imagine the actual seeing the fetus would be the underlying issue.... Vs not seeing it due to its being too small....
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Brock. I won't disagree there are other factors beside the DNR allowing over harvest that contributed to the decline. However I still feel they are responsible for identifying it and adjusting appropriately. That is their job after all. Like you said the coyote predation wasn't even considered and was a miss. So hunters are getting the short end of the stick either on purpose, or due to incompetence. Neither sits well with me. No matter which way we slice the pie the ODNR bears the responsibility and the blame.
Management goes far beyond setting limits. Everything should be taken into consideration. Predation, fawn mortality, fertility due to GMOs if they cause issues, EHD, deer vehicle accidents. All of these could be contributing factors. Each must be taken into consideration when setting limits. If they aren't that's pure incompetence.
Maybe they were caught off guard, maybe it did get away from them, either way, that's on them.
I believe there's a number of factors that contributed, to the decline, only one of them was easily within their control, and that is how many deer they allowed to be killed by hunters. But you've seen over the past 8 years they've done nothing but add seasons, add tags, and add better weapons. In essence add opportunity.
Be it incompetence or willful decimation, either way the responsibility lies with the DNR.
Management goes far beyond setting limits. Everything should be taken into consideration. Predation, fawn mortality, fertility due to GMOs if they cause issues, EHD, deer vehicle accidents. All of these could be contributing factors. Each must be taken into consideration when setting limits. If they aren't that's pure incompetence.
Maybe they were caught off guard, maybe it did get away from them, either way, that's on them.
I believe there's a number of factors that contributed, to the decline, only one of them was easily within their control, and that is how many deer they allowed to be killed by hunters. But you've seen over the past 8 years they've done nothing but add seasons, add tags, and add better weapons. In essence add opportunity.
Be it incompetence or willful decimation, either way the responsibility lies with the DNR.
Lost my post lol.
In short I think it's just a perfect storm that has hit.
Crops that can have an effect on bees so it makes one wonder if it could be a factor. Add in over harvest by hunters allowed by DNR, CWD, blue tongue, habitat loss, predation. Add all that up over time and eventually it sinks the ship. Eventually you get to the point the recruiting isn't enough to make up for it.
In short I think it's just a perfect storm that has hit.
Crops that can have an effect on bees so it makes one wonder if it could be a factor. Add in over harvest by hunters allowed by DNR, CWD, blue tongue, habitat loss, predation. Add all that up over time and eventually it sinks the ship. Eventually you get to the point the recruiting isn't enough to make up for it.
Yeah, but it can't do anything if it doesn't leave your hand!rotflmao
Very interesting Brock! I remember Giles bringing this up not to long ago. Might have some merit. Jim brought up a good point about the cornpiles in areas without ag fields.
I just realized that after this last dig! Lol
Gonna haveta spread it around better I guess buddy! Ya know I was just kiddin.
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But that was funny shit though:smiley_crocodile:
Gonna haveta spread it around better I guess buddy! Ya know I was just kiddin.
ickle:But that was funny shit though:smiley_crocodile:
All in good fun, Fugger! I can handle itI just realized that after this last dig! Lol
Gonna haveta spread it around better I guess buddy! Ya know I was just kiddin.
But that was funny shit though:smiley_crocodile:
Gordo
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Good reading.
There are so many damn variables that can play a role it gets the head spinning thinking about it.
There are so many damn variables that can play a role it gets the head spinning thinking about it.
I can't remember the last time I killed a deer that wasn't full of corn. Bright yellow corn...the kind that hunters dump out. So is the prolonged diet to corn playing a roll in this also? Are the doe not getting a certain something from the land that they need to carry little ones, because they are eating corn?
Like I stated earlier, I would like to see the ODNR at least do some research as to what's going on. I feel like they owe us that at this point. Because if this is a GMO problem...almost everything we do for deer food is screwing ourself. Feeding them corn, food plots, the list goes on. I personally don't see them doing anything besides making excuses. And out of however many have commented on this the last few days...I've only seen one person that wasn't concerned and wanting answers. If a bunch of us degenerates can come up with all this "what-ifs" in between shitting our pants, I'd think those folks could help answer these questions.
Like I stated earlier, I would like to see the ODNR at least do some research as to what's going on. I feel like they owe us that at this point. Because if this is a GMO problem...almost everything we do for deer food is screwing ourself. Feeding them corn, food plots, the list goes on. I personally don't see them doing anything besides making excuses. And out of however many have commented on this the last few days...I've only seen one person that wasn't concerned and wanting answers. If a bunch of us degenerates can come up with all this "what-ifs" in between shitting our pants, I'd think those folks could help answer these questions.
Gordo
Senior Member
I'd hate to know what GMO's are doing to us humans......
On a side note:
Who's bringing the veggie burgers to the muzzy hunt?
On a side note:
Who's bringing the veggie burgers to the muzzy hunt?
Great thread. I am admittedly a bit of a conspiracist, so I can't help but wonder if regardless of "method" (hunting seasons, nuisance permits, predation, etc), the main lobbyists at play aren't getting their wish. I'm talking Big Insurance and Big Ag...neither want deer in large numbers.