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$15 and hour...

finelyshedded said:
X2!!!


The leaders of our country that sold out to big business and let our manufacturing jobs go over seas to avoid paying taxes and so they can hire cheap labor is the start of all this BS!!!
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Not really. They just made it easier. The bigger problem was guys who wanted to work the same line job for 30 years and he expected guaranteed raises, better benefits, and a pension. It's the same as the guy working minimum wage who now wants 15 an hour. People would get those manufacturing jobs making alternators and never try to move up. They wanted to do 30 and out making alternators. But they wanted raises and better benefits also. When they didn't get it they unionized and blackmailed companies into giving it to them. All the while some Mexican is sitting in Mexico saying I'll do it for what that guy should be getting paid, not what his union bullied you into paying. It's the natural flow of things when that starts happening. If America wants to be competitive with Mexico they need to start working for mexican wages.
 
I think the auto industry needs to crash, really crash. No reason for a truck to cost what it does today... This would help the economy in a big way if you ask me.
 
Resets coming fellas. My prediction is within the next decade.

Even us dumb rednecks see shit isn't adding up. $20 trillion...can't come back from that without pain. No one is willing to take the pain.
 
Jackalope said:
Not really. They just made it easier. The bigger problem was guys who wanted to work the same line job for 30 years and he expected guaranteed raises, better benefits, and a pension. It's the same as the guy working minimum wage who now wants 15 an hour. People would get those manufacturing jobs making alternators and never try to move up. They wanted to do 30 and out making alternators. But they wanted raises and better benefits also. When they didn't get it they unionized and blackmailed companies into giving it to them. All the while some Mexican is sitting in Mexico saying I'll do it for what that guy should be getting paid, not what his union bullied you into paying. It's the natural flow of things when that starts happening. If America wants to be competitive with Mexico they need to start working for mexican wages.
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This is pretty much spot on. If our mom and pop shop paid our workers unionized wages and the massive benefits, we would never sell a single furnace or air conditioner because no one could afford it.

I know of guys that worked the GM plant close to where I live. They where the worst customers to have. They where always broke and where always the first ones to bitch about their bills. There was one guy that would brag about clocking in, then leave and go to the amvets for 8 hours and go back and clock out. It's this type of shit that has made it so bad for the average Joe. And I could keep going with stories like this. My father in law works for the city and some of the shit that goes on in there is ridiculous. It's no wonder most cities are in financial trouble.
 
As it should Chad! That's why I started this thread, to help raise awareness on this subject. Once it passed in one place I knew it was going to take over bigger than the weed thing. I just hope it gets shit down and all these begging idiots move to Cali.
 
hickslawns said:
Want to fix some of the problems? Reduce entitlements. IF people are forced to work, the work force has more competition. More competition for minimum wage jobs creates better selection of employees. This also creates more competition for $8-10-12-15/hr jobs. With more employees to choose from, employers can be more selective thus increasing productivity and quality. What does raising minimum wage provide? Worse conditions. Those making $8-20/hr are now much closer to minimum wage. This kills an incentive they have to work harder because they move backwards. Not only do they move backwards but it increases the dollar menu to the $5 menu. It bumps the cost of ice cream cones, gallons of gas, and all products sold by minimum wage (or slightly above minimum wage) employees. The answer is not to increase the minimum wage. The answer is to decrease entitlements thus improving the minimum up to $15-20/hr workforce.

What kills me is how much it hurts everyone else. Many of our day to day expenses will go up quite a bit therefore reducing the discretionary spending of the lower income to middle income people. It WILL hurt the overall economy.

Want another solution? Introduce money management in the schools. I have seen $8-10/hr workers who manage money better than those earning six figures. They manage to pay their bills and survive. Nathan.Luthman said so himself and I commend him for stepping up to the plate and being a responsible/hard working parent. Take a person with a six figure income and lots of discretionary income and what do they do? Spend 95-110% of it. Just because they are banking it doesn't mean they are any better off than the person making $25k/yr. They just have more stuff and likely higher payments on toys/trivial items they truly don't need.
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They do teach it in school, its called economics and now they have created a class called financial planning. Personally I don't think its school responsibility to teach this, it should be the parents, but like everything else in society schools now take on responsibility of the parents (feeding children two meals a day, teaching sex, grooming etc.). This just takes away from classes like shop, metal shop, etc.
 
Jackalope said:
Not really. They just made it easier. The bigger problem was guys who wanted to work the same line job for 30 years and he expected guaranteed raises, better benefits, and a pension. It's the same as the guy working minimum wage who now wants 15 an hour. People would get those manufacturing jobs making alternators and never try to move up. They wanted to do 30 and out making alternators. But they wanted raises and better benefits also. When they didn't get it they unionized and blackmailed companies into giving it to them. All the while some Mexican is sitting in Mexico saying I'll do it for what that guy should be getting paid, not what his union bullied you into paying. It's the natural flow of things when that starts happening. If America wants to be competitive with Mexico they need to start working for mexican wages.
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I've seen the other side working in a right to work state (NC as a teacher, its awful forced unpaid work days, driving buses, being janitors). There is a happy medium somewhere in the middle, its called common sense. We don't use it in the US anymore, its either one extreme or the other.
 
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