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Chass

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Tends to happen when the government is made up of mostly union employees. And they arent your typical labor unions where if you suck at your job or repeatedly screw up you get canned. Nope the end all of be all jobs where you just gotta show up. Keep on screwing up every task you're given and you got yourself a pension when you're done. Not saying they all are like this but its absurd how many government union employees are either absolute garbage at their job or just dont even try to do their job and they keep collecting checks. Its maddening to those that are there to actually do what they are paid to do.
 

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If your already sick the only reason to wear one is to protect others. But even a N95 mask will have a containment escape around the edges if a person sneezes or coughs just due to pressure. A standard surgical mask from CVS has the below test results to protect you however.

Testing Standard: Bacterial filtration effectiveness Results: > 99%
Testing Standard: Particulate filtration effectivness Results: > (virus) 98%
Testing Standard: Fluid Resistance; : Passes at 80 mmHg (blood pressure spray).
You do know that you have to be properly fitted via Machine For each brand and size for an n95 to actually work. If not you might as well use Saran wrap for a condom. Most guys at our work never pass fit test for n95 and have to use an scba or the positive pressure hood.
 

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Tends to happen when the government is made up of mostly union employees. And they arent your typical labor unions where if you suck at your job or repeatedly screw up you get canned. Nope the end all of be all jobs where you just gotta show up. Keep on screwing up every task you're given and you got yourself a pension when you're done. Not saying they all are like this but its absurd how many government union employees are either absolute garbage at their job or just dont even try to do their job and they keep collecting checks. Its maddening to those that are there to actually do what they are paid to do.
I'll challenge you on the "mostly" union employee statement as I don't see that as being the case. However, I've worked within the state and federal "system" for the last year and the rest of what you talk about is fairly representative of a statistically significant portion of the employees in that space. The system breeds complacency and fosters mediocrity. There's next to no accountability and generally speaking, you get a lot of the employees that can't, or didn't, survive in the private sector.
 

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I'll challenge you on the "mostly" union employee statement as I don't see that as being the case. However, I've worked within the state and federal "system" for the last year and the rest of what you talk about is fairly representative of a statistically significant portion of the employees in that space. The system breeds complacency and fosters mediocrity. There's next to no accountability and generally speaking, you get a lot of the employees that can't, or didn't, survive in the private sector.
The rest is exempt staff that make up the leadership that also cant cut it in the private sector and when new gov heads get voted in they get chopped and move onto screwing up the next dept.
Then you have the contractors that hop around putting bags over the heads of the leadership saying they know how to do something for the cheapest price and guess what, never end up following through on their promises, they eventually disappear for the next contractor to come in and attempt to clean up.
 

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14 of how many? Sounds like a bigger deal if this is just the number of Americans from one ship.
44 Americans were not evacuated because they were positive. 328 non-infected were scheduled to be evacuated. On the way to the plane test results identified 14 of the 328 as being positive.

The problem is they allowed 14 who were infected to join the 314 who were not. Then they just decided to fly them anyway instead of making them return and join the other 44.
 
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You do know that you have to be properly fitted via Machine For each brand and size for an n95 to actually work. If not you might as well use Saran wrap for a condom. Most guys at our work never pass fit test for n95 and have to use an scba or the positive pressure hood.
Yes. However saran wrap is still far superior to going in uncovered. Even if the effectiveness is reduced from say 99% to an extreme of 30%, that's still better than 0%. And that's just for airborne particulates. By far the largest vector for viral transmission is hand contact with the mouth, nose, and eyes. Any mask, even a bandana will greatly reduce the likelihood of physical contact transmission from inadvertently touching your mouth or nose.
 

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44 Americans were not evacuated because they were positive. 328 non-infected were scheduled to be evacuated. On the way to the plane test results identified 14 of the 328 as being positive.

The problem is they allowed 14 who were infected to join the 314 who were not. Then they just decided to fly them anyway instead of making them return and join the other 44.
I get what you’re saying. Potentially the 328 are all infected and helped spread this shit.

My information search was to say, every 24-25th person was positively infected. So you have a 1 in 25 chance of catching this if exposed. That’s shitty
 

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I get what you’re saying. Potentially the 328 are all infected and helped spread this shit.

My information search was to say, every 24-25th person was positively infected. So you have a 1 in 25 chance of catching this if exposed. That’s shitty
Well here's the issue. So you had thousands of people on that ship. They were all confined to quarters for two weeks. 300+ of them became infected. When a person was identified as infected they were removed and sent to a hospital for quarantine.

America said we're going to fly a couple of cargo planes over and get our people. But only the ones who haven't tested positive. So you 328 come with us, you 44 have to stay.

On the way to the plane, they get a call that 14 tests came back positive. They ditch the plan of making infected people stay and decide to fly the 14 back.

Here's the problem. They removed 328 or so people from individual quarantine in their state rooms. And mixed them together, WITHOUT first definitely knowing that each of them was negative. So due to the lack of appropriate process, they exposed an additional 314 to the virus AFTER they spent two weeks in quarantine. Effectively blowing containment.

The question then becomes, how do they have a snowball's chance in hell of containing a community outbreak in the US, when they can't even maintain containment on a very controlled small scale group.

As for how contagious it is, the jury is still out due to shoddy numbers out of China. Most agree that it is at least as contagious as the common cold and flu. Just think of everyone you know that's been sick in the past two months and there ya have it, and that's with a massive flu vaccine program. Infectious diseases have a R0 scale they use. The number is the number of people who will likely be infected by a single infected person. If it's less than R1 that means ever person will infect less than 1 person. Meaning the illness will die out on it's own. An R1 means each person will infect one other person. Meaning the virus will remain stable. Anything above R1 means it has the potential to cause a pandemic as it will spread and grow. These numbers are ballpark because I'm not going to go look them up. The common cold is R2-3. Measles was like R18. Smallpox is R6-7. And Ebola was like R1.3. The new nCoV19 is suspected to be R2.5-3.5.

The trouble comes in when the R0 value is high and so is the mortality rate. The WHO freaked out about Ebola because it wasn't super contagious, only a R 1.3. But the mortality rate was 80%. So it would have not died out on it's own, spread extremely slow, but eventually, everyone would get it if left unchecked and 80% of them would die.
 
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What's incredibly interesting about this virus is there are no reports of people under 15 contracting it. Not a single kid in China or elsewhere, even those in close contact for a prolonged period. Now that is a hum dinger of an interesting tidbit. Doctors aren't sure if it's because their immune systems are so strong that it just can't take hold, of if there's a genetic development that hasn't yet happened that would make them susceptible. The median age for the illness is about 59 years old.
 
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What's incredibly interesting about this virus is there are no reports of people under 15 contracting it. Not a single kid in China or elsewhere, even those in close contact for a prolonged period. Now that is a hum dinger of an interesting tidbit. Doctors aren't sure if it's because their immune systems are so strong that it just can't take hold, of if there's a genetic development that hasn't yet happened that would make them susceptible. The median age for the illness is about 59 years old.
This is not correct. Over two weeks ago they reported a newborn getting it. There are less reported cases in children, but not none at all.
 

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This is not correct. Over two weeks ago they reported a newborn getting it. There are less reported cases in children, but not none at all.
Two newborns actually, and they suspect it was contracted it in the woumb as the mothers we're infected and the children diagnosed with 36 hours of birth. Perhaps I should have clarified better and mentioned the two outlier infants, the point was cases in children are remarkably absent.

A small study of 13 pregnant women released Thursday said that it doesnt pass to the fetus. But that is just an initial finding and they even said it could be wrong. So the jury is still out there.
 

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Same. I want a pair of boots and will eventually spring for a pair of those and some jeans.