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Ruger AR-556 MPR

Deersurgeon

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Looking to pull the trigger on this and was curious if anyone has one and could comment. I need to work on some coyotes (6 of them in the attached picture) and have a ATN x-sight night vision scope that I would pair with.
 

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P8riot

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I think its a solid choice.

This is a pretty tricked out version. The owner is a great guy and I'm sure he would ship to a FFL. I don't know if its a good price, but I remembered seeing it on his site.

*Edit - I checked and thats pretty good for all the upgrades I would do anyway. That barrwl looks sweet. Adjustable cheek stock, I have all my ARs with that K2 grip, 2 stage trigger. It's ready for an optic and range time! None of the ones I have bought have been that ready and I always have $1,500 into them!

 
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Ruger rifle is a good one and pairing it up with the ATN optic will do the trick. Get after'em and protect those youngens. That's what I do when I'm up late in the evening or early mornins. I try to kill every one of them that come into the area. Kill'em all!

Good luck!

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Out of all the guys that I know who have ARs and run suppressors on them, NONE of them mentioned how the blow back gases trash the brass. :unsure: I reload and the cleaning process ahead of reloading is a pain in the azz! :mad:
If you don't reload, it's a non-issue.

After going through the custom build of an AR-10, in 243, adding an adjustable gas block and finding out at the range how filthy the brass was afterwards....I sold it and went with a bolt action Savage Predator rifle, for coyote hunting. I explained all this to a guy at local gun shop, the Patriot Attic and there's a "by-pass" rod system (I forget what exactly he called it), that allows those gases to exhaust to a different port and keep the brass clean. (y) Wish I would've known this at the time. :rolleyes: That AR was a shooter....heavy, but shot great. :cool:
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@Deersurgeon
Out of all the guys that I know who have ARs and run suppressors on them, NONE of them mentioned how the blow back gases trash the brass. :unsure: I reload and the cleaning process ahead of reloading is a pain in the azz! :mad:
If you don't reload, it's a non-issue.

After going through the custom build of an AR-10, in 243, adding an adjustable gas block and finding out at the range how filthy the brass was afterwards....I sold it and went with a bolt action Savage Predator rifle, for coyote hunting. I explained all this to a guy at local gun shop, the Patriot Attic and there's a "by-pass" rod system (I forget what exactly he called it), that allows those gases to exhaust to a different port and keep the brass clean. (y) Wish I would've known this at the time. :rolleyes: That AR was a shooter....heavy, but shot great. :cool:
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So it would require the charging handle to cycle a new round each time? That wouldn't be so bad I suppose.

Trashing brass as in dirty? Or it causes the extra blowback gas to cause it to eject harder denting the case on the deflector?

I have cleaned some dirty ass range brass and it always came out pretty good. I am pretty anal when it comes to reloading though. I enjoy the processes it takes.
 
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Hmmm. I press out the primer and tumble in my Frankfod Arsenal tumbler with stainless pins as steps 1 and 2. That way I'm starting with clean brass before I resize and trim. Do you resize without cleaning the brass first? Is it just preference to do it that way? I'm no expert nor do I claim to be. Self taught and always learning.
 
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The brass was just filthy dirty, not damaged. Even the first 2 or 3 rounds in the magazine were dirty too. :rolleyes: It was annoying and I don't own a tumbler, so it was a matter of hand cleaning the brass before reloading. Also, the first 2 or 3 rounds in the magazine had to be cleaned after unloading. 🚫 Pain in the azz!

I'll ask the guy at Patriot Attic, the next time I'm there and get a few photos of the piece(s) he mentioned and get back to this post with that info. It didn't require any extra functions while shooting, it was just an add on piece. (y)

By the way... I owned a Ruger MPR in 223, reloaded for it and it shot very accurately. 💯
Sold it to a guy I worked with, who still owns it. :cool:
Edit: I just looked it up. It was March of 2019, when I sold it.
 
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I just stopped by the Patriot Attic gun shop and asked about that gas system. It's called Direct Impingement. It's a rod that operates off of the gas block's gas relief and bypasses the blow back gas at the gas block, instead through the action itself. The rod acts like an interia recoil to operate the bolt carrier and the rest of the gases are vented off at the gas block. 👍😎
 
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I'm confused... the standard AR 15 (m16, m4, etc) action is direct impingement....
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I just stopped by the Patriot Attic gun shop and asked about that gas system. It's called Direct Impingement. It's a rod that operates off of the gas block's gas relief and bypasses the blow back gas at the gas block, instead through the action itself. The rod acts like an interia recoil to operate the bolt carrier and the rest of the gases are vented off at the gas block. 👍😎
Also sounds like extra pieces to break or be out of spec.....
 
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Maybe I'm over thinking it but if you aren't cleaning out the insides of the cases with a tumbler, wouldn't that change the internal volume of the case due to carbon build up which would affect accuracy or eventually with multiple reloads cause a high pressure situation?
 

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As designed the AR action is direct impingement. Gas is vented to the action and directly acts against the gas key on BCG to cycle the action. There are piston uppers where the gas is vented from the barrel and acts on a rod that runs back to the action to cycle, less dirt in the action.

DI puts more dirt in the action but tends to be a little more accurate. Piston runs cleaner but maybe a little less accurate. The piston’s biggest advantage is in a short barrel, suppressed setup.
 
Maybe I'm over thinking it but if you aren't cleaning out the insides of the cases with a tumbler, wouldn't that change the internal volume of the case due to carbon build up which would affect accuracy or eventually with multiple reloads cause a high pressure situation?
This is entirely possible, but it's definitely some ballistic lab results/findings. I've never seen any signs of it, while reloading or shooting. :unsure: I replace brass cases, when I see cracks, bulges, etc. or any other signs of damage. (y)
I've been reloading since '77 and feel as though I can always learn something new, but I've never seen or heard of this happening.

While we're touching on the reloading subject:
I was introduced/shown this reloading method many years ago, but would've never considered using it. I've always ran mediocre loads, obtained good accuracy and was happy with the results. :)
Out of a reloading manual for 22-250, it stated that for a 55 gr. bullet 36.3 gr. was a Max. load with IMR-4064, at 3713 fps.
A hunting buddy with many more years of experience loaded 37 gr., seated the 55 gr. bullet and shot it into a sand pile, then inspected the brass case. Not showing any pressure, he loaded 38 gr., then 39 gr. and at 39 gr. the primer was flattened out, showing pressure signs.
He backed back down to 38. 5 gr. and there were no pressure signs with the primer. He then moly coated the bullet, loaded 3 rounds at 38.5 gr. and I shot them for a group, at 100 yards, on a bench on sand bags with a chronograph. The group results were 1 hole at 100 yards with a 3855 fps, 3 shot average. This same load shot 3 shots inside a dime at 200 yards. :cool:
I have never heard or would attempt this type of reloading, but it worked. His theory was the moly coated bullet lubricated the barrel/bullet and offered less friction, thus less pressure and produced more speed and increased accuracy. I don't know where he came up with this and I never asked. He proved it to me, once again with a Remington 788, in 308, while using IMR-3031 and a 110 gr. bullet. The end result was a touching "clover leaf" group at 100 yards and a 3040 fps 3 shot average. 😵
 
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This is entirely possible, but it's definitely some ballistic lab results/findings. I've never seen any signs of it, while reloading or shooting. :unsure: I replace brass cases, when I see cracks, bulges, etc. or any other signs of damage. (y)
I've been reloading since '77 and feel as though I can always learn something new, but I've never seen or heard of this happening.

While we're touching on the reloading subject:
I was introduced/shown this reloading method many years ago, but would've never considered using it. I've always ran mediocre loads, obtained good accuracy and was happy with the results. :)
Out of a reloading manual for 22-250, it stated that for a 55 gr. bullet 36.3 gr. was a Max. load with IMR-4064, at 3713 fps.
A hunting buddy with many more years of experience loaded 37 gr., seated the 55 gr. bullet and shot it into a sand pile, then inspected the brass case. Not showing any pressure, he loaded 38 gr., then 39 gr. and at 39 gr. the primer was flattened out, showing pressure signs.
He backed back down to 38. 5 gr. and there were no pressure signs with the primer. He then moly coated the bullet, loaded 3 rounds at 38.5 gr. and I shot them for a group, at 100 yards, on a bench on sand bags with a chronograph. The group results were 1 hole at 100 yards with a 3855 fps, 3 shot average. This same load shot 3 shots inside a dime at 200 yards. :cool:
I have never heard or would attempt this type of reloading, but it worked. His theory was the moly coated bullet lubricated the barrel/bullet and offered less friction, thus less pressure and produced more speed and increased accuracy. I don't know where he came up with this and I never asked. He proved it to me, once again with a Remington 788, in 308, while using IMR-3031 and a 110 gr. bullet. The end result was a touching "clover leaf" group at 100 yards and a 3040 fps 3 shot average. 😵
I’ve shot some molys. Never saw a big improvement, but they were never worse than uncoated