Could you kill these?
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As I said. If it was needed, but not fun, it would be someone's job to do it. That's called work. It is fun to shoot groundhogs, it is fun to hunt yotes, and it's fun to pig hunt. And all three have benefits. Now is it fun to go pour kerosene in a den, nope. I don't think anyone would find that fun. Did it need to be done. You bet.
According to the ODNR they are a pest and a nuisance and need to be killed with no bag limits and no closed season same as a groundhog. Pigs are to be shot on sight according to the ODNR. Who am I to not follow the guidelines and laws.
Besides they also allow me to sharpen my hunting skills and survival skills. Both of those are beneficial.
Besides they also allow me to sharpen my hunting skills and survival skills. Both of those are beneficial.
We can dance around terms such as "varmint" or "nuisance" or "balance" all year long. I guess in the end, if it is legal it is up to the individual to decide. Wdbak- For me this means killing every coyote I have the opportunity to kill. Is it fun? Well, if you consider a great challenge "fun" then maybe. I would think it is more a sense of satisfaction in knowing the other wildlife will benefit. Not sure "fun" is the right word. Maybe exciting, or rewarding, but fun might be a stretch.
These guys are getting a pass out at my place this summer...they're to much fun to watch.
We used to be covered up in grey fox 25 years ago. The coyote expansion really knocked them back in this part of the state.
We used to be covered up in grey fox 25 years ago. The coyote expansion really knocked them back in this part of the state.
I completely agree Mrex! Very cool! I had a pair of them running one property I hunt the season before last. Never saw them last season. Late season I got one on camera so it is good to know they are probably still hanging around. Getting many more coyote pics every year so i suspect the fox will continue to decline. I was able to watch the pair of grey fox frolic and mouse in a field for nearly an hour in the 2010 season. Honestly was a highlight to my season. It was an equal highlight to killing my buck that year.
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I see grey fox with regularity, I have only seen one red in the last 5 or so years. Of course we kill every coyote we can in these parts.
As far as all this dancing around with killing babies and whatnot, do what lets you sleep at night. My take, there are people willing to do what needs to be done and those that sit back and bitch about how we do it. Its cool if some of you wanna be pillow biters, just not my style.
As far as all this dancing around with killing babies and whatnot, do what lets you sleep at night. My take, there are people willing to do what needs to be done and those that sit back and bitch about how we do it. Its cool if some of you wanna be pillow biters, just not my style.
Yes, the foxes have been hammered by the coyote here. I was stunned to catch a grey on my trail cam this last winter. As far as the killing thing goes, I don't have a problem with that. I've hunted all my life and hopefully will continue for a while. It's the unnecessary killing that I have a problem with. If there's a reason I'll be the first to release an arrow or pull the trigger. But it's weighty enough to be given some consideration. So you put limits on yourself. That's where the sense of accomplishment/satisfaction comes in. Quick and clean and fair and square. There's no grey area. Sorry, I gotta get off of this soapbox and let someone else talk.
A lil help? Every female tote will kill 15 fawns for her pups every summer. Your welcome to come walk through my baby forests we will see what you look like when you get out
There is more forest now than when this country was established.
I enjoy the killing of animals. The "rush" of letting an arrow loose on an animal is a "rush" for a reason. Most non-hunters don't understand why we do it until they have an adrenaline rushed moment in the woods. It is in my blood and a given right by God to have dominion over the animals. Does that mean I have a moral compass that says "kill all the animals you see because you enjoy it", no. That is assinine. If you have no self control, especially killing animals I agree you need to see a specialist. But killing over populated predators/varmints is far from being unstable be it baby of said animal or not.
Rise, kill, eat.
I enjoy the killing of animals. The "rush" of letting an arrow loose on an animal is a "rush" for a reason. Most non-hunters don't understand why we do it until they have an adrenaline rushed moment in the woods. It is in my blood and a given right by God to have dominion over the animals. Does that mean I have a moral compass that says "kill all the animals you see because you enjoy it", no. That is assinine. If you have no self control, especially killing animals I agree you need to see a specialist. But killing over populated predators/varmints is far from being unstable be it baby of said animal or not.
Rise, kill, eat.
In a 10 sq. mile home range that's not that many deer. Besides where did that number come from? Too many deer and you won't have a baby forest to get scratched up in.
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It is when you might have 40 yotes I that 10 square miles.
And about 12 is the number seen most often quoted by biologists and people like the qdma. The sources are out there. Search google for fawn predation rates. We've had lengthy discussions about it here too.
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I couldn't agree more. What I am seeing is coyotes continuing to rise in numbers and deer dwindling. For this reason, I feel a sense of satisfaction whenever I get an opportunity to kill a coyote. I also find it very challenging. I have many more opportunities to kill deer in a season than coyotes. I thoroughly enjoy watching the ones I pass on. I feel the coyote is probably one of the toughest animals to kill in this area. I have not attempted snares or traps though. I understand this is the most successful method. Calling is my method of killing coyotes or by opportunity. If one happens to be in the area while deer hunting, I sometimes have opportunities.
That's right, killing a coyote fair and square is a big deal. I think I'm fairly sneaky in the woods. I've killed my share of trophy bucks. Rarely do I even see a coyote let alone have a chance to kill one. I had one sniffin my turkey decoy this year and I let it walk because several years ago I killed a nursing female in turkey season. So if I can't use the hide I don't kill it. The yotes are here to stay. Yeah I miss the groundhogs and foxes but there is a new sheriff in town. Knock one off if you get the chance but it's not going to change the big picture much. The females compensate by having more pups. So I guess look at the bright side and it's something else to hunt. As far as deer dwindling, I don't know about that. I guess look at the kill numbers. I see plenty of deer on my place but I manage it for wildlife and coyotes howl here all the time. If the kill numbers are holding or growing then maybe ole wiley coyote isn't the demon from Hell he's made out to be.