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[bowhunter1023]

wud i miss here? did the bong skip by me or something?

Winter wheat and the likes...

 

[JD Boyd]

Coons and groundhogs cause far more damage to planted crops than deer. Yet I don't see farmers or the DNR making one peep about extending coon season. Where is the uproar? Nor is Nationwide and Farm Bureau screaming about coons.. The truth is farmers are not the ones causing a ruckus. Farm Bureau and Nationwide are the ones pushing the issue. Those companies are trying to add a non corporate greed facade to it by including the poor poor farmers. The bottom line is they love to take your money, but don't love to pay when someone hits a deer.

I finally got one farmer to agree with me on this...

 

[MK111]

Coons and groundhogs cause far more damage to planted crops than deer. Yet I don't see farmers or the DNR making one peep about extending coon season. Where is the uproar? Nor is Nationwide and Farm Bureau screaming about coons.. The truth is farmers are not the ones causing a ruckus. Farm Bureau and Nationwide are the ones pushing the issue. Those companies are trying to add a non corporate greed facade to it by including the poor poor farmers. The bottom line is they love to take your money, but don't love to pay when someone hits a deer.

I really mean farmers per-say. But yes the Insurance Co are causing more uproar than anyone else. I guess they pick on deer because they are bigger and easier seen that coons.
I wish that game warden that issued all those deer permits was around here. Our local Warden basiclly won't issue any permits because I have pasture only. I need help in the fence area but the kids are too busy to hunt. I don't have guest hunt as this is my private refuge so to speak. next year since I bow hunt I will take 3 does if possible and a buck.
Frank

 

[Milo]

Winter wheat and the likes...

If thats the argument then that's as laughable as i have ever heard...kinda like deer tearing down corn stalk. all deers eat walnuts anyway

 

[Jackalope]

I really mean farmers per-say. But yes the Insurance Co are causing more uproar than anyone else. I guess they pick on deer because they are bigger and easier seen that coons.
I wish that game warden that issued all those deer permits was around here. Our local Warden basiclly won't issue any permits because I have pasture only. I need help in the fence area but the kids are too busy to hunt. I don't have guest hunt as this is my private refuge so to speak. next year since I bow hunt I will take 3 does if possible and a buck.
Frank

You're right. Farmers blame deer because they're easily spotted in fields.. I'm not meaning to piss you off with the following statements, it's just how I feel about damage permits etc. If people are not willing to let others hunt, then they really don't have room to complain about the deer damaging things. Or the right to slaughter them on damage permits. Kind of a make your bed thing. The DNR has said before that Deer are a natural resource belonging to every resident of the state. Then why do they continue to issue permits for those deer to be slaughtered because one person mad a choice. I understand it's a landowners right to decide what happens on his property. And they should never be forced to allow hunting. But if they make a choice not to, they shouldn't be issued damage permits. You make a choice to allow the deer to be hunted, or you make a choice to live with them. A personal choice should not allow for the slaughtering of a natural resource not belonging to them. Especially when there is another option they chose not to allow.

 

[Milo]

You're right. Farmers blame deer because they're easily spotted in fields.. I'm not meaning to piss you off with the following statements, it's just how I feel about damage permits etc. If people are not willing to let others hunt, then they really don't have room to complain about the deer damaging things. Or the right to slaughter them on damage permits. Kind of a make your bed thing. The DNR has said before that Deer are a natural resource belonging to every resident of the state. Then why do they continue to issue permits for those deer to be slaughtered because one person mad a choice. I understand it's a landowners right to decide what happens on his property. And they should never be forced to allow hunting. But if they make a choice not to, they shouldn't be issued damage permits. You make a choice to allow the deer to be hunted, or you make a choice to live with them. A personal choice should not allow for the slaughtering of a natural resource not belonging to them. Especially when there is another option they chose not to allow.

AND there is ample liability protection specifically given to them by the state...

 

[hickslawns]

I would say I am somewhere in between Jackalope's opinion and MK. I agree with Jackalope's point about 95-99%. I think there are a few cases where the deer are certainly a nuisance though. Try tree farms for example. Not saying they should have the right to slaughter the whole herd. I do think in extremely dense deer areas there could be some justifiable permits.

 

[Ohiosam]

If thats the argument then that's as laughable as i have ever heard...kinda like deer tearing down corn stalk. all deers eat walnuts anyway

Probably the most expensive damage a deer can do is to fruit trees and nursery stock by browsing on them in the winter

 

[epe]

city boy? thats a good one..

It's ok to admit you drive a car.....

 

[Milo]

Got a douchebag beard too

 

[epe]

Area code tattoo on your neck TOO?

 

[Milo]

Area code tattoo on your neck TOO?

No thats my old cell number

 

[Jackalope]

I would say I am somewhere in between Jackalope's opinion and MK. I agree with Jackalope's point about 95-99%. I think there are a few cases where the deer are certainly a nuisance though. Try tree farms for example. Not saying they should have the right to slaughter the whole herd. I do think in extremely dense deer areas there could be some justifiable permits.

Remember back when a cooperative between Farm Bureau and the Odnr started this webpage trying to match farmers with vetted hunters. I don't remember the specific results but it failed miserably. Something like 90,000 hunters signed up for the program but only 100 farmers. At that moment damage permits should have been completely eliminated in this state. The Farm Bureau and ODNR provided a solution to match hunters with farmers and the farmers failed to show. What they should have done was required participation in that program to be eligible for damage permits.

 

[Flatlander]

Yea, I'll bite there's less deer...

More coyote control is needed, NR fee's need raised, and 3 deer max statewide, need instituted.

I like the way you think on all 3 points.....maybe even a 2 deer max.

 

[Flatlander]

You're right. Farmers blame deer because they're easily spotted in fields.. I'm not meaning to piss you off with the following statements, it's just how I feel about damage permits etc. If people are not willing to let others hunt, then they really don't have room to complain about the deer damaging things. Or the right to slaughter them on damage permits. Kind of a make your bed thing. The DNR has said before that Deer are a natural resource belonging to every resident of the state. Then why do they continue to issue permits for those deer to be slaughtered because one person mad a choice. I understand it's a landowners right to decide what happens on his property. And they should never be forced to allow hunting. But if they make a choice not to, they shouldn't be issued damage permits. You make a choice to allow the deer to be hunted, or you make a choice to live with them. A personal choice should not allow for the slaughtering of a natural resource not belonging to them. Especially when there is another option they chose not to allow.

You beat me to it, I agree completely on your damage permit stance. Also,why would you not let hunters take some deer, hell they go to waste when shot with damage permits. I also can't believe the number of hunters I hear complain about the deer herd numbers being down but then admit they shoot 3 does. They are adding to the problem if you ask me.

 

[dante322]

You guys arent trying to say that insurance companies call the shots are you? I would have never guessed, not in these united states.

 

[Huckleberry Finn]

What about the farmer who owns the 260 acre farm I picked up to hunt this fall that in the span of 3 years, killed 100 deer with crop damage permits? They killed 40 in one year alone. That seems excessive to me considering he has the majority of the farm in pasture, doesn't make his living off the crops that are there, and simply wants deer killed because he thinks of them as over sized rats.

He must have been a large majority for the county....but, I completely agree - that's not doing us any favors...



Source: http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/9/pdf/pub304.pdf

 

[hickslawns]

Remember back when a cooperative between Farm Bureau and the Odnr started this webpage trying to match farmers with vetted hunters. I don't remember the specific results but it failed miserably. Something like 90,000 hunters signed up for the program but only 100 farmers. At that moment damage permits should have been completely eliminated in this state. The Farm Bureau and ODNR provided a solution to match hunters with farmers and the farmers failed to show. What they should have done was required participation in that program to be eligible for damage permits.

Excellent point. I remember signing up, following up with several of them, and never getting permission to a single one. That was a flop and a half. Good idea. Good concept. On paper it looked great. Just didn't work when none of the farmers allowed anyone to hunt.

 

[MK111]

Oh I'm not pissed by this. I have 5 deer hunters living here on the farm. My son, 2 grandsons, nephew, and myself and a 12 yr old granddaughter coming alone hopefully soon. I just don't allow anyone outside the family hunt. I have done damage permits for other farmers in the past and not one once of meat went to waste. It was used by the farmers family or given to well deserving needy families.
Frank

 

[Milo]

Oh I'm not pissed by this. I have 5 deer hunters living here on the farm. My son, 2 grandsons, nephew, and myself and a 12 yr old granddaughter coming alone hopefully soon. I just don't allow anyone outside the family hunt. I have done damage permits for other farmers in the past and not one once of meat went to waste. It was used by the farmers family or given to well deserving needy families.
Frank

You would be the first i have heard of using the meat. I have been on some also and they just dug a hole and threw them.