One thing to keep in mined about these bucks and having great genetics on our farm is that I haven't tagged a buck this season or the last 2 before thaI . I try to keep a 4 1/2 years or older and 140+ minimum now before harvesting a buck ive let some pretty nice bucks walk the last few years praying they make it another year and turn into giants I have been fortunate enough to put down so nice deer but im here to tell you it takes a lot of disciple to do it also lol and I have had to eat a lot of tag sandwiches to make it happen. Thanks again for all the comments!