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Climbing stand vs climbing sticks

hickslawns

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I use both. I have trees picked out which are perfect for the climber. Those trees do not offer much cover generally. They are also telephone poles so you can go higher. This also changes shot angle. Sticks and stand are handy. Unlike JB or BH90210 I am not faster. Definitely quicker with the climber. BUT I can hunt a tree with better cover and multi trunked trees which are totally out with my climber. I'm not as quiet with sticks and stand but I can't say my climber is the quietest thing either. Not bad while climbing. Separating the two sections and the cable moving in/out to hook up are the noisy parts. On a calm morning it seems crazy loud.
 

giles

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Looking in from the outside, most of you guys change your mind and switch/modify everything all the time. Every year or two you come up with the “new best thing”. That being said, I think you should try out different set ups to see what you like best. Maybe make it to an event and tell people to bring their shit. It could be very informational to many people, myself included.
 

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Looking in from the outside, most of you guys change your mind and switch/modify everything all the time. Every year or two you come up with the “new best thing”. That being said, I think you should try out different set ups to see what you like best. Maybe make it to an event and tell people to bring their shit. It could be very informational to many people, myself included.
And have a race up and down the tree like Taylor and Fluteman 😂😂😂
 
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hickslawns

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Right tool for the job Giles. Sometimes you need a finish nailer hooked to an air compressor. Sometimes you need the biggest sledge you have.
 
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I have a hammock seat on my climber not the original seat. I sit in the seat spread my legs grab the straps that connect the seat to the platform and pull the platform up between my legs. open up the clamp slide the band in close the clamp and lower the platform. once I am standing on the platform I can adjust the band for the seat.
 

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An to answer the OP, as others said, it depends on the situation, and if going mobile, boils down to weight and flexability, IMO. I've got 130 acres, and I have a dozen pre-hung setups. I use generic 20' sections of sticks, and hang a Millennium Receiver. These are in spots I know will produce and I have four Millennium stands I can take out and slide into a setup in seconds.

In your case, you are forced to go "mobile," because the landowner doesn't want anything left. For almost 15 years, I was strictly mobile hunting, and I've used them all over that period of time, starting out with an old Baker climber, AKA Deathtrap. Eventually, I transitioned to a steel climber, and then a lighter aluminum. They are great for portability and packability due to their lightweight. My biggest beefs with a climber was that I never felt 100% safe using one, as it seemed you could never get one perfectly level unless you made an adjustment on the fly, and I was always stuck climbing bare ass trees, which forced me to go higher than I really needed to be. I realize now there are climbers where you can safely make adjustments to level them out without sacrificing safety, but your still forced to climb telephone poles, or cut branches as you climb, as well as fight knots and loose bark. With that being said, your lightest pack in option is going to be a breakdown aluminum climber.

After running climbers for 15 years, I found the Lone Wolf Climbing sticks. There wasn't much information out there on them at the time, so I ordered a set of four and fell in love. My mobile stick setup has evolved over the years, and I've refined it into two setups, comfort and flexability. I run 4-5 lone wolf sticks now, with my top stick being a Muddy pro stick, as it has steps on both sides allowing me to hang the stand on either side of the tree without climbing down and adjusting the steps. My comfort stand is a Millennium M100 with footrest. I could sit in this stand all day, it's easy to hang, and has a roomy platform, but it's fairly heavy, with a fixed platform. My flexible stand is the Muddy Outfitter. I have modified it slightly to make it easier to hang, but it's got an offset bracket that can allow me to hang in a tree with a lean to the left or right, as well as a platform and seat that will level for those trees that are leaning forward or backward.

With either of these hang-on setups, I can climb any tree I want to a height between 20 and 25 ft. The biggest downfall to this setup is it weighs close to 30lbs. The nice thing about it though, is it all packs very flat, and the weight is closer to your center of gravity, so it doesn't pack like some of the old climbers did at a comparable weight. Regardless, it is considerably heavier than these newer adjustable climbers, but much more versatile. I guess what it boils down to is how far your have to pack in, how much gear you carry, and where you are hunting. My setups have evolved to the point now, regardless of a permanent set or a mobile set, that I like to be in a split tree as my first choice, or a tree with lots of cover above me and where I'm less likely to be skylined. Out of the dozen permanent sets I have now, only one of them is in a tree that isn't split, and it's a pine about 40" in diameter and I'm only 15ft off the ground in this setup.

Like others have said, if you can get with someone that has a setup you would like to try, do it. It's the cheapest way to find out if you like a setup or not!
 

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I have a hammock seat on my climber not the original seat. I sit in the seat spread my legs grab the straps that connect the seat to the platform and pull the platform up between my legs. open up the clamp slide the band in close the clamp and lower the platform. once I am standing on the platform I can adjust the band for the seat.
Ok, now I'm picturing the move a little more clear. I'm using the hammock seat too, so I might give this a practice run or 2 close to the ground to see if I can get the hang of it. Nothing worse than a day of fearing for your life or cutting off circulation to you legs because your stand pitch is all jacked up. Appreciate the advice.

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giles

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Right tool for the job Giles. Sometimes you need a finish nailer hooked to an air compressor. Sometimes you need the biggest sledge you have.
I get that. Just pointing it out. I don’t hunt from stands, but years of following here I know what spot deserves what stand.

I used to hunt from stands and I know it’s hard to find a good tree for a climber with a background.
 

jagermeister

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Looking in from the outside, most of you guys change your mind and switch/modify everything all the time. Every year or two you come up with the “new best thing”. That being said, I think you should try out different set ups to see what you like best. Maybe make it to an event and tell people to bring their shit. It could be very informational to many people, myself included.
Well, isn't switching and modifying everything all the time the same thing as trying out different things??? I have tried a ton of different things over the years and is exactly why my preferred gear has evolved to what it is today.

4 Lone Wolf sticks with rope mods = 10 lbs
Lone Wolf Alpha 2 hang-on = 14 lbs
Total = 24 lbs

Most of the lightweight climbers that are on the market hover between 19-25 pounds. My Lone Wolf sit n climb is 20 lbs, and that's with the stock seat. The buckshot equalizer is 20.8 pounds. So for only 4 more pounds I can climb virtually ANY tree I want to and not be limited in my setups.

Here's my typical public land approach, in which I'm usually going in "blind" to a spot. I will internet-scout to find areas of interest. For my virgin sit, I'll pack in the LW Alpha and LW sticks, scout as I go, and then (hopefully) find a spot I like enough to set up on. I'll hunt that spot and make a determination whether to hunt it again or not, whether to adjust the setup, whether to make a move, and whether or not to pack it out or leave it up for the next hunt. If I pack it out, I will then know whether or not (based on the particular tree) I can use a climber in that location. If I can, I may pack in my LW climber for the next hunt and save the 4 pounds of weight. But doing this is a bit of a gamble because, if I then decide to move, I no longer have the versatility of the climbing sticks on my back.

This year's rutcation trip was a great example... I scouted a hard-to-reach area via OnX and went in the first day at noon. I took the canoe across the lake for a 1/2 mile with my LW Alpha and 4 LW sticks. I pulled the canoe into a spot where the drainage dumped into the lake, and then I went up the one ridge from there. I hunted a spot on a secondary ridge that night, then left the stand up for the next morning's hunt. At about noon the following day, I decided against hunting that spot any longer and began still-hunting and scouting further up the ridge. Eventually setting up and hunting two other locations before settling on a "hub" down in the main drainage, about 0.71 miles from the canoe. The tree I finally ended up in was a crooked ash with a beech tree right next to it. The combination of the multiple limbs on the ash and the leaf cover of the beech made it a perfect setup as far as concealment goes. You would not have gotten a climber into this tree. That first evening I hunted this stand, I had a 170 + inch beast of a buck come through chasing a doe at 35 yards. This was on public land, mind you. Unfortunately he was simply too far for my recurve. I did not see that deer again for the rest of the week. Since this location was extremely isolated I did not feel the need to pack out every day. Even if I would have had a climber I would have left it in the woods as well. For me it just boils down to the fact that the lightweight hang-on stand and LW sticks just fit my "style" of run and gun hunting when I go on trips down south. I hunt aggressively and move around a lot until I find what I'm looking for. To do that in the most efficient way possible, I like a setup that packs down flat and allows me to get into any tree I want to. Some of the creek bottoms and hillside bedding areas I hunt do not have a single straight tree in them... You simply can't hunt those areas with a climber, and that keeps a lot of hunters from diving into them. The hang-on and sticks just give me more options. Period.
 

jagermeister

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Another thing I just thought of that IMO is a huge advantage of the climbing sticks... ease and stealth when getting into the tree on ensuing hunts. When I find a great spot and dedicate myself to it, I leave the setup in the tree if there's little risk of it getting stolen. When I return for the next hunt, I get to the tree and climb right up the sticks, making virtually zero noise and saving an ass-load of time. With a climbing stand, you have to ascend and descend that tree every time you hunt it. More often than not, you're going to make some noise. And if not, you're spending quite a bit of time trying to be quiet.
 

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Well, isn't switching and modifying everything all the time the same thing as trying out different things??? I have tried a ton of different things over the years and is exactly why my preferred gear has evolved to what it is today.

You said what I was thinking. My changes weren't to keep up with the Jones's, they were made to fine tune things to a point of satisfaction.
 

jagermeister

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You said what I was thinking. My changes weren't to keep up with the Jones's, they were made to fine tune things to a point of satisfaction.
Yes, exactly. Years and years ago, you and Greg turned me onto the Millennium and climbing stick approach. While I absolutely love the comfort of the M100 stands, I was never fully satisfied with the weight or the (in my opinion) cumbersome hanging/attachment method, or the noise. So I decided to try something new. Enter Lone Wolf treestand. Boom... more satisfied with the treestand itself. Lighter, quieter, and easier to hang. But then I always hated the cam buckles and straps on the LW sticks. Enter the rope mod. Boom... absolute game-changer for those climbing sticks. Lighter, faster, QUIETER. Will this now be the end of my experimentation or tinkering with new equipment? I hope not. Anything else I try in the future will HOPEFULLY be a better system than what I'm currently using.
 

bowhunter1023

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The rope mod for the LW sticks is the cat's ass! The next tweak for me is already coming and that's the sticks themselves. I want a double step stick and not the alternating single steps. @JOHNROHIO watched me miss my step at Strouds and it got awkward for a second until I found it. I want to have both feet at the same height, especially on my last stick. Hawk makes a nice stick and I hear their newest model is pretty sweet.

Nothing that I hate more than hanging my stand and realizing I didn't start my steps in the right way, so now you're off in the sequence on your climb up/down.
 

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I believe I'll be using my 'Lone Wolf' setup to get after a big buck I seen yesterday evening and try to get much closer to his last bedding area. Hopefully it pays off.

I did all the mods to it, and I do have the ropes as well for the sticks, which I haven't tried yet cause I haven't felt the need, but I will...

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Below is a photo of the last time I used it in a tree that was not ideal for any kind of climber and it worked wonders for me.
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