Election Lockjaw

[bowhunter1023]

It's over. There's no way in hell anyone with any authority has the balls to overturn the results and honestly, I'm not sure it's in "our" best interest to have it overturned. It's certain war on American soil if that happens. I don't see that happening with the same certainty if we carry on as it sits today.

 

[Geezer II]

Opinion vs facts
Uhm not happy with Biden/Harris - it was Trumps election to loose

 

[Jackalope]

in 1959 i earned $2.83 a hour as a railroad brakeman - can you believe that

Assuming a 40 hour work week and 50 weeks a year, accounting for inflation that's $52,606 annual salary today.

 

[bowhunter1023]

Assuming a 40 hour work week and 50 weeks a year, accounting for inflation that's $52,606 annual salary today.

Which is $20K above the median income in my county.

 

[Mike]

It's over. There's no way in hell anyone with any authority has the balls to overturn the results and honestly, I'm not sure it's in "our" best interest to have it overturned. It's certain war on American soil if that happens. I don't see that happening with the same certainty if we carry on as it sits today.

Betcha a sixer of SAOF payable at Strouds.

 

[Jackalope]

It's over. There's no way in hell anyone with any authority has the balls to overturn the results and honestly, I'm not sure it's in "our" best interest to have it overturned. It's certain war on American soil if that happens. I don't see that happening with the same certainty if we carry on as it sits today.

Here's the million dollar question though. If they are the duely elected people, and people elected them do do all this socialist shit, isn't that how the republic was designed to work, by the the will of the people. Not saying it's right or good, people elected Hitler too. The reality is Carl Marx hit the nail on the head when he wrote of the downfall of capitalism. The proletariat will rise up against the bourgeoisie, he even talk about how a party of bourgeoisie will manipulate the emotions of the proletariats against other Bourgeoisies but are living in borrowed time themselves.

 

[Jamie]

that question isn't relevant if our leaders are not "duly elected". if they are fraudulently elected, i.e, due process was not followed, then we have to ask a different million dollar question.

but I agree. if a majority of American voters want Marxism, then we will eventually have it. China and the UN will see to that.

 

[giles]

So much good talk in here! I've been part of the trades off and on my entire adult life. Always paying dues while doing so. The pay difference is undeniably worth it. The benefits are worth it. The retirement are worth it. You can't work a non-union trade and get this stuff.








I also agree that this isn't over. A lot has been exposed and Americans want answers. Either way it ends up falling, we will continue to fall as a country.

 

[Mike]

that question isn't relevant if our leaders are not "duly elected". if they are fraudulently elected, i.e, due process was not followed, then we have to ask a different million dollar question.

but I agree. if a majority of American voters want Marxism, then we will eventually have it. China and the UN will see to that.

 

[Mike]

I know I talk tough, but if you knew what my grandparents went through to get here, I can't lay down. I won't.

 

[Geezer II]

I'm blaming a labor union for that shit.

Jamie i know of a teacher in a system and would bet she would have been terminated years ago but for the union

 

[brock ratcliff]

I don’t believe for a minute that Joe Biden received 80+million votes. For perspective; Obama received 69 million in 2008, 65 million in 2012. I hope Trumps team will be able to prove what I believe to be obvious. We no longer have a country or reason to bother voting if they cannot.

 

[Jamie]

Relax Jamie - we all got one

if we're honest, we all probably have more than one.

 

[bowhunter1023]

So much good talk in here! I've been part of the trades off and on my entire adult life. Always paying dues while doing so. The pay difference is undeniably worth it. The benefits are worth it. The retirement are worth it. You can't work a non-union trade and get this stuff.

I wholeheartedly disagree and can prove this point wrong. That said, I doubt your intent was for that to be a blanket statement covering all employment opportunities for the trades. Just for an example, our local "company man" electricians do as well, or better, than their IBEW counterparts. Same for some of our welders. In fact, the best welding gig in town in regards to total compensation package and quality of work/life balance is a non-union shop.

Just wanted to check that union basis for a moment.

 

[Jamie]

Jamie i know of a teacher in a system and would bet she would have been terminated years ago but for the union

I'm not sure what your point is because I don't know why she would have been fired years ago if not for the union. some people need to be fired because they aren't good at their job, are unreliable, dishonest, etc., especially school teachers. I have experienced the "union mentality" and "hourly attitude" first hand, and I have no use for it; despise it. I know a teacher that got seriously injured during a fight between two very large high school punks. guess what all three of her unions did for her? absolutely nothing. we are off topic here, severely.

 

[Geezer II]

I don’t believe for a minute that Joe Biden received 80+million votes. For perspective; Obama received 69 million in 2008, 65 million in 2012. I hope Trumps team will be able to prove what I believe to be obvious. We no longer have a country or reason to bother voting if they cannot.

I don't know - they have done multiple recounts and threw out 39 lawsuits some by republician judge - record turnout of voters - more inncer city youths and people voted then in the Oboma elections - belief vs facts - i don't know what else we can do - seems that if wide spread fraud happened some rat/mole would have squealed by now for $$$ - just can't process fact from bullshit - then theres the covid factor - massive divide in America

 

[Geezer II]

I'm not sure what your point is because I don't know why she would have been fired years ago if not for the union. some people need to be fired because they aren't good at their job, are unreliable, dishonest, etc., especially school teachers. I have experienced the "union mentality" and "hourly attitude" first hand, and I have no use for it; despise it. I know a teacher that got seriously injured during a fight between two very large high school punks. guess what all three of her unions did for her? absolutely nothing. we are off topic here, severely.

Ok

 

[Jackalope]

I don't know - they have done multiple recounts and threw out 39 lawsuits some by republician judge - record turnout of voters - more inncer city youths and people voted then in the Oboma elections - belief vs facts - i don't know what else we can do - seems that if wide spread fraud happened some rat/mole would have squealed by now for $$$ - just can't process fact from bullshit - then theres the covid factor - massive divide in America

Yes and no right. We have a history of not going back on things. It's easier to avoid it and pretend like it didn't happen than admit it and deal with the consequences. Right now they can just ignore the claims that our election system is a fraud and hope it goes away without much issue, if they admit it and it's proven to be a fraud then that raises massive problems.

The problem is bigger than most realise. They solicited liberal mayors and governors to change state voting laws to make it easier for those who traditionally don't vote to vote. Removed ID requirements etc. They mailed massive ballots to traditionally democrat areas and targeted them with advertising to fill them out. They spent time and effort in traditional democrat areas to allow corrections to ballots with errors. They greatly extended the absentee voting window in many democrat states. They did all this in States with democrat governors and legislatures and are hiding behind the guise of State's rights as states primarily set election laws. The problem comes in that this was a federal election and equal opportunity was not given to traditionally red states and areas which should be a violation of the constitution under the equal protection clause. All of this conducted by the same party that raised hell for years about simple Facebook ads paid for by Russia that they called "election tampering" they may not have committed "fraud" by the letter of the law as they had state governments in their pockets, but they most certainly rigged the election. On the same side, it's the same old republican bullshit of allowing it to happen. They are always on the defensive and do not fight fire with fire. With that said the RNC was just as complacent in this and knew damn well what the Democrats were trying to do. It was no secret, the Dems started laying the groundwork 9 months before the election with the narrative of "we won't have results on election night. Trump will claim fraud. Trump.may refuse to concede. Trump may refuse to leave the White House". All of that was designed to manipulate the American people for the reality we have right now. The fact is the political system in this country is corrupt and rigged to keep these people in power and anyone who stands in their way will pay the price. They stoke division to keep the people of this country fighting each other so that we the people as a collective don't drag all these politicians out of their government offices and make use of the light poles.

 

[Geezer II]

Yes and no right. We have a history of not going back on things. It's easier to avoid it and pretend like it didn't happen than admit it and deal with the consequences. Right now they can just ignore the claims that our election system is a fraud and hope it goes away without much issue, if they admit it and it's proven to be a fraud then that raises massive problems.

The problem is bigger than most realise. They solicited liberal mayors and governors to change state voting laws to make it easier for those who traditionally don't vote to vote. Removed ID requirements etc. They mailed massive ballots to traditionally democrat areas and targeted them with advertising to fill them out. They spent time and effort in traditional democrat areas to allow corrections to ballots with errors. They greatly extended the absentee voting window in many democrat states. They did all this in States with democrat governors and legislatures and are hiding behind the guise of State's rights as states primarily set election laws. The problem comes in that this was a federal election and equal opportunity was not given to traditionally red states and areas which should be a violation of the constitution under the equal protection clause. All of this conducted by the same party that raised hell for years about simple Facebook ads paid for by Russia that they called "election tampering" they may not have committed "fraud" by the letter of the law as they had state governments in their pockets, but they most certainly rigged the election. On the same side, it's the same old republican bullshit of allowing it to happen. They are always on the defensive and do not fight fire with fire. With that said the RNC was just as complacent in this and knew damn well what the Democrats were trying to do. It was no secret, the Dems started laying the groundwork 9 months before the election with the narrative of "we won't have results on election night. Trump will claim fraud. Trump.may refuse to concede. Trump may refuse to leave the White House". All of that was designed to manipulate the American people for the reality we have right now. The fact is the political system in this country is corrupt and rigged to keep these people in power and anyone who stands in their way will pay the price. They stoke division to keep the people of this country fighting each other so that we the people as a collective don't drag all these politicians out of their government offices and make use of the light poles.

Ok

 

[Geezer II]

I wholeheartedly disagree and can prove this point wrong. That said, I doubt your intent was for that to be a blanket statement covering all employment opportunities for the trades. Just for an example, our local "company man" electricians do as well, or better, than their IBEW counterparts. Same for some of our welders. In fact, the best welding gig in town in regards to total compensation package and quality of work/life balance is a non-union shop.

Just wanted to check that union basis for a moment.

Uhm talk n big picture here Jesse thousands of workers. Are those small job shops your talking about