Knowing how pragmatic you are, this is a solid endorsement. I came home to their catalog today after thinking I need better bibs most of the day. I don't have the same concerns in terms of upper body, but could stand a better pair of bottoms.haven't had to wear much until today. dressing for cold while still being able to shoot a trad bow is quite important when the temps start getting into the 20's at night and you actually meant to kill something while your out there freezing. It is practically a science. This is why I am A#1 Sitka gear fanboy. I've never owned any hunting clothing that is designed and cut better for shooting my bow with layers on. and it's quiet and warm and durable.