Clinton county giant?
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CJ Alexander Pleads Guilty to 14 Charges Related to Poaching Giant Ohio Buck
CJ Alexander entered a guilty plea to charges related to the poaching of a giant Ohio buck in 2023. He lied about where and how he killed the deer.
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If he did, I would definitely listen. As we all know; Theres two sides to a story and the truth likely resides in the middle.
After listening to a few podcasts involving game agency charges to "celeb" hunters (Spook, Brackett, DAcquisto).... it seems when one of their agents gets a person to target, they're never going to leave unscathed.
POS is right
Unfortunately I doubt the punishment will match the crime
Unfortunately I doubt the punishment will match the crime
Love to see it. Congratulations to all those involved in bringing this to fruition.
This. If a real sportsman is to have a chance these days, we need more convictions. Corn piles make it easy enough. This is just killing for fame and is disgusting. Slap in the face to hunters.
Hes famous now, got what he wanted! Whatever his punishment is, it won't be enough. He should never legally hunt again. Not that it would stop people like this, but examples need to be made. Seems like the common denominator of the goons getting caught is they all have an IQ of a toilet seat. Makes me wonder how many deer get poached by people with a brain cell that never get found out....but what fun would it be if they couldn't plaster pics all over social media?
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Problem is, we can't just go after the big cases. It needs to start before dipshits like this think they can get away with it. We have had private talks about the average deer hunter and I believe we are the minority today. So we will never get what we want.
Big_Holla
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Sure it is but it doesn’t always mean good things will happen. Integrity is what helps you sleep at nightBeing right isn't always a good thing.
I was talking about being right about never getting the convictions needed. Just isn't worth the resources it takes to get a conviction. These shitbags know that.
Big_Holla
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Hadn’t heard anything about the second buck! Damn. He’s probably got more history poaching than just that year.
The punishment does not match the crime
No jail time at all
And how do you get money from a dead beat?
No jail time at all
And how do you get money from a dead beat?
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Not listed in the Clinton county piece is the fact he also killed a doe illegally in Highland county. This man is an idiot to the core.
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I received my first-ever wildlife violation this year. Alligator hunting in a closed area. The regulation says "the allowable hunting area is the Pascagoula river, associated drainages, and navigable waters thereof."
I came out the mouth of the Pascagoula where it drains into the gulf and then navigated back up into a coastal marsh. The officer said that since it didn't drain into the river it wasn't an associated drainage. I argued that's not what the regulation says. It clearly states (associated drainage AND navigable waters thereof" at no point did I pull, drag or leave my boat to get in here. Anyways Ole Green Jeans wrote us a ticket based on his interpretation. Since it was dealing with an alligator it's a mandatory court date.
it was a minor misdemeanor, the lowest misdemeanor, basically the equivalent of not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.Court day comes, my buddy and I and about 50 other people of various crimes, including about 10 people bussed over from the county jail in hand and leg shackles. He starts calling names for pleas, shoplifting, domestic abuse, DUIs, gun crimes, plus whatever those guys in orange jumpsuits and shackles did but they're last.
He gets to me and I approach the podium, he reads the charge "Hunting alligators in a closed area) (he then Giggled a little) and said "What.... can you explain this" I responded "Uh explain myself or the charge your honor" "well what is this? what happened? I being me was prepared and handed him his stack of numbered and tagged papers. He was shaking his head no the whole time while I explained." I finished and he said well how do you plead. I responded "Guilty for convenience your honor" .(Because I didn't want to have to come back.) He laughed and told me that's not a real plea. Knowing my max fine was a hundred bucks I just said guilty. He reduced it to a warning, no fine, and pay court costs. Then he literally said to me. "This is why I don't hunt fish anymore, it just isn't worth it. I see this stuff on a daily basis and it's just revenue"
There were about five other DNR written violations in there that morning. NONE of them paid a fine. All reduced or thrown out. One was a couple that was swimming under an overpass but it happened to be WMA property and they didn't have their little yearly $5 WMA user permit from the state. The judge told them "Yeah they're not getting a penny from you on this" and threw it out.
I say all that to say this, Those judges got a lot of other shit to deal with, what they see as real crime stuff, they don't give a damn about some wildlife violations. This judge literally acted like the Department of natural resources was wasting the court's time with revenue generating crap. And it was pretty obvious that he didn't want anyone to plead not guilty and tie up a prosecutor on some bullcrap when they should be preparing cases against people who committed "real crimes"
Now in high-profile cases like this poaching case and the walleye tournament guys those judges are gonna get involved more so because they know everyone is watching. But at the end of the day, they're still hamstrung by the allowable punishments under the law. And the sad reality is, out of all the stuff they deal with on a daily basis, wildlife violations are a victimless crime to them. They're not gonna throw some kid in jail with a bunch of what they consider to be real criminals over a dead deer or two.
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Honestly jail time does not bother me.
The restitution fine(s) and permanent revocation of hunting privileges wouldbe what i would ask for.