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Why is this happening? An actual local news report in Minnesota where a TV news reporter interviewed a doctor last night.
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Sen. Dr. Jensen's Shocking Admission About Coronavirus

Posted: Tue 7:42 PM, Apr 07, 2020

Minnesota (POVnow) MN Sen. and Dr. Jensen said that he received a 7 page document from the MN Department of Health advising him to fill out death certificates with a diagnosis of #COVID-19 whether the person actually died from COVID-19 or not. Can we trust the death numbers we've been seeing?

https://www.valleynewslive.com/cont...ng-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html
i heard the ohio reps discussing this. take a look at pneumonia deaths being down since they’re being attributed to the virus. It will inflate the numbers.
 

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Heard on the radio today they'll start testing (and universities r pushing )for folks with anti bodies that have already built immunities to this. I'd like to hear some of these statistics.....I'm guessing hundreds if not thousands had it recovered during or pre lockdown. Less than 200 deaths in Ohio so far and we still have counties with no cases many with just a few. We either locked down before it struck or recovery or immunity is a lot more than we think.
 
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Heard on the radio today they'll start testing (and universities r pushing )for folks with anti bodies that have already built immunities to this. I'd like to hear some of these statistics.....I'm guessing hundreds if not thousands had it recovered during or pre lockdown. Less than 200 deaths in Ohio so far and we still have counties with no cases many with just a few. We either locked down before it struck or recovery or immunity is a lot more than we think.
Or testing availability sucks
 
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I'm sharing for those that might be interested so, please try not beat me up over the fact that I'm sharing it. Thank you!

People should be allowed to form their own opinions whether or not the following documentary is informative and/or relevant.

I'm half way through it at the moment and I believe it's worthy of my time so far.
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The Epoch Times - The first documentary movie on the origin of CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

[Exclusive investigative report] The first documentary movie on the origin of CCP virus(Coronavirus)

 

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Look at the stats of confirmed cases verses hospitalizatons it's fairly close in number. It's got to have run through a huge percentage of the country as wide spread at the beginning and with as many people who were sick and weren't tested for over a month.....I don't want to down play this and pray Everyone gets through. If my statements r false then we r just at the beginning idk.
 

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Heard on the radio today they'll start testing (and universities r pushing )for folks with anti bodies that have already built immunities to this. I'd like to hear some of these statistics.....I'm guessing hundreds if not thousands had it recovered during or pre lockdown. Less than 200 deaths in Ohio so far and we still have counties with no cases many with just a few. We either locked down before it struck or recovery or immunity is a lot more than we think.
It's wishful thinking at best but still needs to be done. While we did have the best test availability back then, we do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't circulating long at all before lockdown. We know this because we didn't see the increases in hospitalizations and deaths yet. The only way that's possible is if a less deadly strain was circulating prior to lockdown and then it suddenly mutated causing an increase in medical needs. This hasn't been shown to have happened here or anywhere else. More than likely what they are looking for are the 30% of 50% who never have any symptoms, and have contracted it just prior to lockdown up until now. It's very wishful thinking at best that a very large exposure has happened because we're not seeing that in the numbers. For example. If our case to death ratio was 20% then we would know that we have a very large body of undetected cases. As it stands though we are neck and neck with the world numbers.
 
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We can look to the diamond princess as somewhat of a controlled study.

As of February 20, (quarantine date) tests of most of the 3,711 people aboard the Diamond Princess confirmed that 634, or 17 percent, had the virus; 328 of them did not have symptoms at the time of diagnosis. Of those with symptoms, the fatality ratio was 1.9 percent, Russell and colleagues calculate. Of all infected, that ratio was 0.91 percent. Those 70 and older were most vulnerable, with an overall fatality ratio of about 7.3 percent


So if we look at the above and say that Ohio has only tested people that were symptomatic because they showed up at a hospital, then the rate of infection could be double that which is known, making it roughly 10k cases in Ohio so far. Anything much more than that I would be hesitant to admit that we've missed because we would start invalidating hospitalization rates which hold steady at about 20% of cases in a bunch of countries.
 
Heard on the radio today they'll start testing (and universities r pushing )for folks with anti bodies that have already built immunities to this. I'd like to hear some of these statistics.....I'm guessing hundreds if not thousands had it recovered during or pre lockdown. Less than 200 deaths in Ohio so far and we still have counties with no cases many with just a few. We either locked down before it struck or recovery or immunity is a lot more than we think.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that immunity only lasts about 2 years & that this will be like the seasonal flu in terms of recurrence and the requirement for yearly vaccinations (whenever they are available).
 

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Why is this happening? An actual local news report in Minnesota where a TV news reporter interviewed a doctor last night.
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Sen. Dr. Jensen's Shocking Admission About Coronavirus

Posted: Tue 7:42 PM, Apr 07, 2020

Minnesota (POVnow) MN Sen. and Dr. Jensen said that he received a 7 page document from the MN Department of Health advising him to fill out death certificates with a diagnosis of #COVID-19 whether the person actually died from COVID-19 or not. Can we trust the death numbers we've been seeing?

https://www.valleynewslive.com/cont...ng-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html

Here's another Doctor in Montana that appears to be on the same page as MN Sen. and Dr. Jensen from two days ago, and yes I'm fully aware and listened to what was said about this prompted CNN question during this evening's Federal CoVid - 19 Press Briefing.

As to my expectation, Mr. Anthony Fucci and a CNN person during the Press Briefing labeled them as conspiracies/nuisances.


Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

Dr. Bukacek is a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job.

 

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Nothing new. We don't have a good count of flu deaths simply because the cause of death is listed as pneumonia or whatever underlying health condition was that killed them. So we estimate flu deaths at somewhere between 12,000 to 60,000 a year. If its obvious that someone rapidly developed pneumonia and died while displaying symptoms of COVID then listing COVID isn't cooking the books.
 
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There is still an issue. Two weeks ago we had 100 "presumed COVID" cases in our county which were told to go home and self quarantine. How many more are there in Allen County at this time? Fortunately, we do not have a high number of cases currently. But, do we actually have many more which isn't publicly recognized? If so, extrapolate that out to each county. Probably at a higher multiple in counties with more confirmed cases. My point is there are a lot more positive cases than we are hearing about. This brings us to a higher percentage of the public as recovered or recovering at home. This also brings the mortality rate down or survival rate up. However you want to see it.
 

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There is still an issue. Two weeks ago we had 100 "presumed COVID" cases in our county which were told to go home and self quarantine. How many more are there in Allen County at this time? Fortunately, we do not have a high number of cases currently. But, do we actually have many more which isn't publicly recognized? If so, extrapolate that out to each county. Probably at a higher multiple in counties with more confirmed cases. My point is there are a lot more positive cases than we are hearing about. This brings us to a higher percentage of the public as recovered or recovering at home. This also brings the mortality rate down or survival rate up. However, you want to see it.
Fortunately due to controlled environments with high test rates like the Princess cruise ship we do have some solid data around those who were positive but showed no symptoms. (50.5%). Out of everyone who tested positive about 80% did not need medical intervention. Roughly 20% did. Of that 20% around 7% needed ICU care. This is the best solid baseline for medical intervention rate requirements for COVID that the world has because of the controlled environment and almost 100% test rate.

Let's compare those to ohios current numbers. Today we have 5,148 cases and 1,495 hospitalizations. That's 29% hospitalization rate. So 9% higher than the controlled princess cruise numbers. This means we need to add 2,327 cases to our detection to bring it in line with the control group. Aka we're missing and haven't detected roughly 50% of the cases. Not surprising considering roughly 50% of the people in the cruise ship who tested positive didn't have symptoms and Ohio is only testing people that are showing up sick and meet the symptom criteria. So those numbers match up quite perfectly and we can say with pretty good certainty that we're missing half of our total.

So while we are most certainly missing cases. However, we're only talking about 7k cases in a state with 11.6 million people to infect. It is an insignificant amount in the scope of things.

If we rerun the death numbers to reach 70% herd immunity (8,120,00) and assume that we're missing 50% of the cases due to them not showing symptoms and not meeting test criteria in Ohio (4,060,000). The fatality rate of those who displayed symptoms on the cruise ship was 1.9%. That means we will have 812,000 hospitalizations 20%. Per healthdata.org Ohio had about 15,000 hospital beads available with only around 1,200 of them being ICU beds. Go over that number and the death rate will increase dramatically due to lack of care.

when we're facing a pandemic that is extremely contagious where everyone is susceptible that has the potential to demand 54 times your available medical capacity, it's easy to see why they would want everyone to stay home to slow transmission.