2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

[giles]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coro...fections-85-times-higher-reported-researchers

That would be great news!

 

[Ohiosam]

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[Jackalope]

Everyone stay home, here’s an advancement on your taxes for you to go out and spend.

It wasn't intended to be an economic stimulus package to inject mass amounts of cash into the economy to stem recession like obama did, but rather offset financial hardship from the impact of the virus. Help people pay for food, utilities, rent etc whose income was impacted or had an increase in expenses due to having to pay for more of things, or things they normally didn't buy. It was In addition to the added $600 a week for unemployment benefits for those that were unemployed. It was just easier to call it a "stimulus" check due to precedence.

 

[Fletch]

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Just to clarify this for the record... Which is it: You had no taste in women based on how they looked or they didn't taste good...

 

[giles]

It wasn't intended to be an economic stimulus package to inject mass amounts of cash into the economy to stem recession like obama did, but rather offset financial hardship from the impact of the virus. Help people pay for food, utilities, rent etc whose income was impacted or had an increase in expenses due to having to pay for more of things, or things they normally didn't buy. It was In addition to the added $600 a week for unemployment benefits for those that were unemployed. It was just easier to call it a "stimulus" check due to precedence.

What’s your source for this reasoning? I was under the understanding that this money was dispersed to help stimulate your local businesses/America.

 

[Jackalope]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coro...fections-85-times-higher-reported-researchers

I was reading the clinical study earlier today after Tipmoose sent it to me. Seems to be in line with other studies that have been done in other countries. Some of them were are high as 15% undetected cases in major metro areas, down to about 1.5% in more rural areas. This study estimated
2.49% to 4.16% population infection... Still a long ways away from the 60-80% required for herd immunity but some hopeful numbers for fatalities.


Based on their study I ran some numbers out for their 1.9m county population.

Clinical study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

 

[Jackalope]

What’s your source for this reasoning? I was under the understanding that this money was dispersed to help stimulate your local businesses/America.

And now for my next trick........ Sources of truth.... Tah Dah!

 

[Jamie]

Wear your mask so you don't get sick - take your best shot - nuttn sheepish bout dat

come on, Daniel. I didn't say wearing a mask is sheepish or even a bad idea. I'm all for it, so long as it's done in a way that might actually be helpful. I don't appreciate the implication, and it makes me wonder if you are genuinely confused and don't understand my post, or enjoy rearranging my words to fit your narrative.

if a person wants to wear a piece of an old flannel shirt tied around their face so loosely that it barely covers their mouth, with nothing at all covering their eyes, and pretend that they are safer out in public, good for them. that is idiotic, and nothing more than virtue signaling. find a real mask and some eye protection or stay the fuck home if you are afraid of catching a virus.

 

[Hedgelj]

Well I've been gone for a couple of weeks; the coronavirus and things changing at work on a hourly basis, and other things kept me away. I'm sorry but I'm not reading the 40+ pages ya'll have generated in that time.

Is there any interest in some of the conspiracy theory aspects?

One of the biggest things that have taken me (slightly) down that rabbit hole or at least open to the ideas is the fact of how fast this virus spreads and how contagious it is. However, some of the most densely populated locations on earth, specifically other provinces in China as well as cities like Beijing have not been impacted in the way the Wuhan province was. So my question is, if China was able to contain the virus well enough that cities like Beijing were not impacted, how did it get out? We've seen how fast it can spread across the globe and in densely populated areas such as California and NYC.....Food for thought.

One thing that is hurting our American effort is the media. We have media bias/spin on any comment made by anyone which is making any medical claims that much more challenging to investigate honestly.

I do think the WHO either seriously dropped the ball, or are shielding China and Trump is on right path there.

Why is Bill Gates getting airtime talking about medical treatments/vaccines? What knowledge does he have of this other than his foundation supported a vaccine program which was complained of ethics violations in (IIRC) a British medical journal.

Also, has anyone seen the reports from Sweden which didn't lock down their economy but are not following Italy's curve, but more closely following the curve America has set? Interesting things to see there.

Lots of governmental overreach, especially in states like Michigan. The B.S. laws signed by VA is another one. Hopefully this isn't a permanent change.

Where do we go from here is the biggest question/concern and I don't think anyone knows. Hopefully we can get a reliable antibody test or even a reliable quick test.

 

[giles]

And now for my next trick........ Sources of truth.... Tah Dah!

















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Can’t believe a damn thing anymore! Maybe I’ll just save mine until I need it. We will see what happens. I was under the wrong impression here because of wording I guess.

 

[Jackalope]

Can’t believe a damn thing anymore! Maybe I’ll just save mine until I need it. We will see what happens. I was under the wrong impression here because of wording I guess.

Easy to do considering how it's widely been referred to as a "stimulus check" and it closely follows the same disbursement guidelines as Obamas program that was designed to spur economic growth.

 

[Geezer II]

come on, Daniel. I didn't say wearing a mask is sheepish or even a bad idea. I'm all for it, so long as it's done in a way that might actually be helpful. I don't appreciate the implication, and it makes me wonder if you are genuinely confused and don't understand my post, or enjoy rearranging my words to fit your narrative.

if a person wants to wear a piece of an old flannel shirt tied around their face so loosely that it barely covers their mouth, with nothing at all covering their eyes, and pretend that they are safer out in public, good for them. that is idiotic, and nothing more than virtue signaling. find a real mask and some eye protection or stay the fuck home if you are afraid of catching a virus.

Uhm senile - didn't mean to ruffel your feathers - can i just stay home or do i have to stay the fuck home

 

[Wildlife]

Here are some rather interesting things that some of you might not be aware of,or rather don't care about, but regardless, others just might.

This particular bit of information just below, I found neatly tucked away within (WIPO), the World Intellectual Property Organization and you can look it up for yourself, read/learn about it. What I'm referring to mainly is the International Patent that Microsoft currently holds and was recently awarded.

There are others out there, but I won't bore you guys with those just yet.
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"The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is the United Nations specialized agency. It seeks to develop a balanced and accessible International Intellectual Property system, which rewards creativity, stimulates innovations, and contributes to economic development while safeguarding public interests.
Organization type: Government agency
Parent: United Nations"
Their latest news statement pertaining to CoVID-19: https://www.wipo.int/portal/en/news/2020/article_0015.html
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'Patentscope'

1. WO2020060606 - CRYPTOCURRENCY SYSTEM USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA

Publication NumberWO / 2020/060606
Publication Date26.03.2020
International Application No.PCT / US2019 / 038084
International Filing Date20.06.2019

Applicants

• MICROSOFT TECHNOLOGY LICENSING, LLC [US/US]; One Microsoft Way Redmond, Washington 98052-6399, US

Inventors

• ABRAMSON, Dustin; US
• FU, Derrick; US
• JOHNSON, Joseph Edwin, JR.; US

Agents

• MINHAS, Sandip S.; US
• CHEN, Wei-Chen Nicholas; US
• HINOJOSA, Brianna L.; US
• HOLMES, Danielle J.; US
• SWAIN, Cassandra T.; US
• WONG, Thomas S.; US
• CHOI, Daniel; US
• HWANG, William C.; US
• WIGHT, Stephen A.; US
• CHATTERJEE, Aaron C.; US
• JARDINE, John S.; US
• GOLDSMITH, Micah P.; US
• TRAN, Kimberly; US
• PEREZ, Edgar; US

Priority Data16/138,51821.09.2018US
Publication LanguageEnglish (EN)
Filing LanguageEnglish (EN)
Designated States
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Title
(EN) CRYPTOCURRENCY SYSTEM USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA
(FR) CRYPTOMONIA SYSTEM USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA

(EN)
Human body activity associated with a task provided to a user may be used in a mining process of a cryptocurrency system. A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified.


Source: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606
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Here’s why even emerging markets are joining the QE party
Published: April 17, 2020 at 2:37 p.m. ET

Central banks in Indonesia, Poland, Romania and South Africa have started to buy government debt

Several emerging market central banks are embarking on a radical new experiment — buying bonds in a manner similar to the quantitative easing programs first started in the U.S., Europe and Japan.

Central banks in Indonesia, Poland, Romania and South Africa are among those in emerging markets that have started to buy government debt, a striking move for monetary policymakers that have historically struggled to ease financial conditions when their growth prospects soured or their markets fell out of favor.

“We expect EM central banks to remain measured. Still, these new overtures require close monitoring,” said strategists at Deutsche Bank, in a note.
The diversity of the asset-purchasing programs across emerging markets make it difficult to simply categorize the response of their central banks as traditional quantitative easing, or the purchase of longer-dated government bonds to lower long-term interest rates.

Though some are doing just that, others are temporarily acquiring bonds to flush cash back into their financial markets, as shown in the table below.

Read more: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...g-markets-are-joining-the-qe-party-2020-04-17
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What's really going on will all these world central banks lately?

Could a new world monetary system emerge from this pandemic?

"It could, however, provide a "vision" or goal that can guide interim steps in ... The system that emerged from the Bretton Woods Conference 40 years ago had five ... A new institution, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), was created as a channel for this new lending. ... Comparing Six Health-Care Systems in a Pandemic." - A Monetary System for the Future | Foreign Affairs www.foreignaffairs.com › articles › monetary-system-f...

I've read that the 'Federal Reserve' was recently nationalized and now part of the US Treasury, Hmmm. Gold standard making a comeback?

Below is another very interesting article that came out from the 'World Economic Forum' recently. In my humble opinion, it appears that the suggestions/opinions/points came right out the the document that I posted earlier within this thread, which was originally written & published over 10 years ago by the 'Rockefeller Foundation' called, 'Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development' - "LockStep"; pages 18 - 49 -https://view.publitas.com/wildlifeohio/rockefeller-foundation/
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There’s only one option for a global coronavirus exit strategy

11 Apr 2020

• The COVID-19 pandemic poses an unprecedented threat to both public health and the global economy.
• Only by avoiding nationalist rhetoric and policies, and embracing stronger international cooperation, can governments protect citizens.

The world that emerges from the coronavirus pandemic may be a warring collection of countries that are more closed off and nationalistic than before. But without rapid and effective global cooperation, the world may not exit this crisis safely at all.

Source: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...ption-for-a-global-coronavirus-exit-strategy/
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You have to read the entire article and the 'Rockefeller Foundation' document to see if there's any correlation between the two. I say, they're most definitely is!

What/if any, I'm implying here is that, new technologies will be coming down the pike and playing a much more invasive/bigger role in the very, very near future as this pandemic/house arrest/tyranny cramp continues. Just mark my words...

But hey, it's all in the sake of safety, right?

I admit, I really hope that I'm seriously wrong about all of this, however there's too much writing on the wall for my liking.

Good luck to all the youth turkey hunters that are out there this weekend!

 

[Fletch]

Man... Just when I thought it was safe to go in the water, this depressing thread shows up.... Is it hunting season yet???

 

[Wildlife]

I'm sure this will make life even more depressing I suppose,,,,
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Social distancing could last into 2022, Harvard researchers say in new study

By Adriana Navarro, AccuWeather staff writer
Updated Apr. 17, 2020 5:19 PM

A new study not only suggests what the winter of 2020-2021 could hold in the United States in the age of COVID-19, but also looks at what could happen if there are no measures other than social distancing taken to stop the spread of the illness.

And another outbreak could be possible, even in the summer, researchers behind the study say.

"We find that in the absence of other interventions, this kind of on-again off-again approach we call intermittent social distancing, may have to last into mid-2022," Christine Tedijanto, coauthor of the study, "Projecting the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the postpandemic period," told AccuWeather over a Skype interview.

The reasoning, Tedijanto and coauthor Stephen Kissler told AccuWeather, is due to how social distancing affected immunity to the new coronavirus. Tedijanto and Kissler are both researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"We know that social distancing is crucially important in order to flatten the curve and in order to prevent the collapse of our health care system. But if successful, we also slow infections, and this means that immunity in the population builds up slowly," Tedijanto said. "So when we lift the social distancing measures, many people in the population are still going to be susceptible to the infection, and this can lead to a resurgence in cases once the social distancing measures are lifted."

Intermittent social distancing would mean keeping an eye on the number of cases in the population, and monitoring when to "turn on and turn off," social distancing to prevent health care facilities from being overwhelmed while also allowing immunity in the population to grow. The switch would be more of a rolling change than an automatic one.

"The intermittent social distancing scenarios allow us to do exactly this -- to build immunity while maintaining enough social distancing to ensure that everyone receives the hospital care they need," Kissler told AccuWeather in an email. He acknowledged that strong long-term social distancing with a timeframe of 20 weeks, while it wouldn't help a population build up immunity, could buy time to increase hospital capacities and develop treatments. The study is not endorsing a policy, he said, but instead trying to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under different approaches.

But how reasonable is social distancing for another two years?

"To be clear, 'building population immunity' is a byproduct of widespread infection, not a strategy in and of itself," associate professor of biology at Penn State University Matthew Ferrari told AccuWeather via email. "In order for that many people to develop immunity naturally implies that many people will become ill and may die. Physical distancing is a strategy to slow the rate at which people become sick to guarantee that we have the health system capacity to ensure a good prognosis for all patients."

SARS-CoV-1 (SARS), the virus that infected more than 8,000 and killed 774 in 2003, Ferrari said, was contained not because of immunity, but through "aggressive program of surveillance, contact tracing and isolation."

"The lesson to learn is that, if we want to eliminate this virus, we need to invest in the public health systems that will make that happen," Ferrari said, adding that physical distancing measures have been successfully slowing the spread of the virus, though continuing to do so into 2022 might be a stretch.

"The idea of having to go through this longer, or again in the future, is pretty unpalatable," Ferrari said. "The best way to avoid that is to build the health systems that will allow easy, ideally free, access to testing and care in the future. If we can test and identify cases, and trace their contacts and support humane quarantine, then we can focus control on those at risk rather than rely on physical distancing that puts the burden on the healthy."

As pharmaceutical companies race to create a vaccine, the duration of a population's immunity to the virus is a "key factor" in determining the frequency the virus will cause wintertime outbreaks, Tedijanto said.

"If the immunity is on the order of a year like the common cold virus, then perhaps you would expect to see yearly outbreaks in the wintertime," Tedijanto said. "If it's a little bit longer, then perhaps those outbreaks are bi-annual or even more sporadic."

If immunity to the virus falls within this timeline, once the vaccine is developed, people could be going in for their flu shots along with shots for the new coronavirus.

The study found that recurrent wintertime outbreaks of the new coronavirus are likely if the immunity built up to the virus lasts 1-2 years. Immunity in the population to other human coronaviruses that circulate and cause the common cold also generally align with this timeframe, according Kissler. Immunity to SARS and MERS, Tedijanto said, was more on the order to 2-3 years.

Much more to read & listen to from within the article/source: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...2-harvard-researchers-say-in-new-study/721965

 

[Jackalope]

I'm sure this will make life even more depressing I suppose,,,,
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Social distancing could last into 2022, Harvard researchers say in new study

By Adriana Navarro, AccuWeather staff writer
Updated Apr. 17, 2020 5:19 PM

A new study not only suggests what the winter of 2020-2021 could hold in the United States in the age of COVID-19, but also looks at what could happen if there are no measures other than social distancing taken to stop the spread of the illness.

And another outbreak could be possible, even in the summer, researchers behind the study say.

"We find that in the absence of other interventions, this kind of on-again off-again approach we call intermittent social distancing, may have to last into mid-2022," Christine Tedijanto, coauthor of the study, "Projecting the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the postpandemic period," told AccuWeather over a Skype interview.

The reasoning, Tedijanto and coauthor Stephen Kissler told AccuWeather, is due to how social distancing affected immunity to the new coronavirus. Tedijanto and Kissler are both researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"We know that social distancing is crucially important in order to flatten the curve and in order to prevent the collapse of our health care system. But if successful, we also slow infections, and this means that immunity in the population builds up slowly," Tedijanto said. "So when we lift the social distancing measures, many people in the population are still going to be susceptible to the infection, and this can lead to a resurgence in cases once the social distancing measures are lifted."

Intermittent social distancing would mean keeping an eye on the number of cases in the population, and monitoring when to "turn on and turn off," social distancing to prevent health care facilities from being overwhelmed while also allowing immunity in the population to grow. The switch would be more of a rolling change than an automatic one.

"The intermittent social distancing scenarios allow us to do exactly this -- to build immunity while maintaining enough social distancing to ensure that everyone receives the hospital care they need," Kissler told AccuWeather in an email. He acknowledged that strong long-term social distancing with a timeframe of 20 weeks, while it wouldn't help a population build up immunity, could buy time to increase hospital capacities and develop treatments. The study is not endorsing a policy, he said, but instead trying to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under different approaches.

But how reasonable is social distancing for another two years?

"To be clear, 'building population immunity' is a byproduct of widespread infection, not a strategy in and of itself," associate professor of biology at Penn State University Matthew Ferrari told AccuWeather via email. "In order for that many people to develop immunity naturally implies that many people will become ill and may die. Physical distancing is a strategy to slow the rate at which people become sick to guarantee that we have the health system capacity to ensure a good prognosis for all patients."

SARS-CoV-1 (SARS), the virus that infected more than 8,000 and killed 774 in 2003, Ferrari said, was contained not because of immunity, but through "aggressive program of surveillance, contact tracing and isolation."

"The lesson to learn is that, if we want to eliminate this virus, we need to invest in the public health systems that will make that happen," Ferrari said, adding that physical distancing measures have been successfully slowing the spread of the virus, though continuing to do so into 2022 might be a stretch.

"The idea of having to go through this longer, or again in the future, is pretty unpalatable," Ferrari said. "The best way to avoid that is to build the health systems that will allow easy, ideally free, access to testing and care in the future. If we can test and identify cases, and trace their contacts and support humane quarantine, then we can focus control on those at risk rather than rely on physical distancing that puts the burden on the healthy."

As pharmaceutical companies race to create a vaccine, the duration of a population's immunity to the virus is a "key factor" in determining the frequency the virus will cause wintertime outbreaks, Tedijanto said.

"If the immunity is on the order of a year like the common cold virus, then perhaps you would expect to see yearly outbreaks in the wintertime," Tedijanto said. "If it's a little bit longer, then perhaps those outbreaks are bi-annual or even more sporadic."

If immunity to the virus falls within this timeline, once the vaccine is developed, people could be going in for their flu shots along with shots for the new coronavirus.

The study found that recurrent wintertime outbreaks of the new coronavirus are likely if the immunity built up to the virus lasts 1-2 years. Immunity in the population to other human coronaviruses that circulate and cause the common cold also generally align with this timeframe, according Kissler. Immunity to SARS and MERS, Tedijanto said, was more on the order to 2-3 years.

Much more to read & listen to from within the article/source: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...2-harvard-researchers-say-in-new-study/721965

The only plan we have is controlled exposure until we reach heard immunity. . Open things up to expose the next group of people then close it down to let the medical resources deal with the infection. Repeat how many ever times is necessary until exposure won't overwhelm medical services. How long that will take depends in how may infections we can handle at a time.

 

[Blan37]

The only plan we have is controlled exposure until we reach heard immunity. . Open things up to expose the next group of people then close it down to let the medical resources deal with the infection. Repeat how many ever times is necessary until exposure won't overwhelm medical services. How long that will take depends in how may infections we can handle at a time.

Or how quickly it mutates into a new strain that we have no immunity to.

 

[giles]

You know what would make me feel better? I’d like to see the political leaders of China stand tall for this.

 

[Dustinb80]

You know what would make me feel better? I’d like to see the political leaders of China stand tall for this.

Aren't Asians short?

 

[Jackalope]

Or how quickly it mutates into a new strain that we have no immunity to.

Yeah. If it pulls a flu A and mutates on a continual basis we're in trouble. It could mutate to the level of a cold, or the level of MERS, both are coronaviruses, one largely harmless, the other with 35% mortality.