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2025 EHD?

I would argue there are a lot of areas today we have MORE deer than we did during the time period you’re remembering.
You're not wrong, but growing up our area was not deer dense like the Eastern, Southern and SE Ohio was in 90's/early 00's. Our area's deer population has steadily increased. Remember our Teenage years ? Everybody left the Friday or Saturday after Thanksgiving to go to "Southern Ohio" to deer hunt because there was way more deer than we had an opportunity at in our area.
 
Step back and think more simple...habitat beyond your birds and deer goes to insects.

What bug eats bugs? Dragonflies for example need a specific habitat and are very efficient at killing other bugs.

I come to this thinking as I think about marshes. This doesn't seem to be a huge problem in marsh area yet it is the exact example giving for what this bug needs to live.

So think about this and let's talk about it. Habitat
 
Here's a couple updates from me and what I am seeing around Athens. Our yard doe, that I previously posted pics of in this thread that appeared to be EHD-affected, has drastically improved. Her coat is still patchy but she's no longer acting lethargic/apathetic. I have seen her and her BB fawn nearly every day for the past week and the doe is acting normal again. She's much more alert and just generally looks healthier. She crossed the yard at lunch today a few minutes after her BB fawn. Last night, she crossed while I was out back shooting and gave me the classic head bob followed by quickly bouncing away. 2 weeks ago I could walk within 30-40 yards of her and she wouldn't even lift her head or look at me.

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My cameras on our property are getting daily pics of deer. Historically, on this property, I rarely get pics of more mature bucks until late Sept-early Oct. One large community scrape that gets hit hard every year by bucks is where I have had a cell cam for a few weeks. This guy showed up yesterday. I'm optimistic that some better deer will show here as the fall progresses. We'll see what survived.

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Here's the interesting thing, to me. Our kid has baseball 3 nights a week in Athens, in town. I know EHD hit hard along the Hocking between Athens and Guysville. The city/campus deer SEEM to be completely unaffected. My dad and I walked along the bike path from OU's football stadium after the WVU game past the hospital area to where we parked. I think we saw 14-15 deer along campus that evening. At my kid's practice a few nights ago, on the baseball field behind us, there were 9 deer. When we left, there was an additional 8-10 near that field.

It's odd to me that the EHD issue seems to drastically go down along the river once you get into town. Then we leave the city area to drive home, and once you get 2 minutes out of town, we hardly see a deer until we get home.
 
Here's a couple updates from me and what I am seeing around Athens. Our yard doe, that I previously posted pics of in this thread that appeared to be EHD-affected, has drastically improved. Her coat is still patchy but she's no longer acting lethargic/apathetic. I have seen her and her BB fawn nearly every day for the past week and the doe is acting normal again. She's much more alert and just generally looks healthier. She crossed the yard at lunch today a few minutes after her BB fawn. Last night, she crossed while I was out back shooting and gave me the classic head bob followed by quickly bouncing away. 2 weeks ago I could walk within 30-40 yards of her and she wouldn't even lift her head or look at me.

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My cameras on our property are getting daily pics of deer. Historically, on this property, I rarely get pics of more mature bucks until late Sept-early Oct. One large community scrape that gets hit hard every year by bucks is where I have had a cell cam for a few weeks. This guy showed up yesterday. I'm optimistic that some better deer will show here as the fall progresses. We'll see what survived.

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Here's the interesting thing, to me. Our kid has baseball 3 nights a week in Athens, in town. I know EHD hit hard along the Hocking between Athens and Guysville. The city/campus deer SEEM to be completely unaffected. My dad and I walked along the bike path from OU's football stadium after the WVU game past the hospital area to where we parked. I think we saw 14-15 deer along campus that evening. At my kid's practice a few nights ago, on the baseball field behind us, there were 9 deer. When we left, there was an additional 8-10 near that field.

It's odd to me that the EHD issue seems to drastically go down along the river once you get into town. Then we leave the city area to drive home, and once you get 2 minutes out of town, we hardly see a deer until we get home.
I get it. When my area got hit, we took (at a minimum) a 50% hit. Grumbled to a buddy in the North side of the county. They were overrun with deer. Didn't take a hit at all. Even guys 5-10 miles any direction were not affected. It's weird how it came pin point specific areas. Almost like a tornado.
 
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Most everything that can be sprayed or mowed, is. The undergrowth in my area has changed dramatically in the 12 years I have lived here. We have been taken over by invasive plants.

People are talking about treating deer or whatever else. I hate that idea and way of thinking. That is the world we live in today thanks to big pharma. The reality of it is likely right in front of us and it'll just take some work to get a handle on it. The landscape is changing.








Also, if you watched the AG video they mention the cows that die from this always have some sort of tick born illness. So let's talk about that briefly...

What eats ticks? Ground dwelling birds like qual and turkey.

Hmmmm, what has been on a major decline and why? HABITAT!!!




So as I jump around on this subject and people ask of me what I want from the ODNR, I want more research done on the dead deer like the cows get. More education on habitat destruction. AND I would really like to see farming practices change. I also wouldn't mind seeing our roadside ditches being some sort of native prairie. We spend a ton of time and money into mowing. Why? Go to any state park and it's roadsides are golf coarse mowed. Why? Where i live is generally 5-10 lots...mowed. WHY? Imagine if the educational push of these things (wildlife habitat) was for the better health of every thing and everyone.

Education about burning fields is also something people dont realize.

Edit: reread it and it used to say I have that idea and way of thinking, supposed to say I hate it.
 
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@Curran

I would like to hear your thoughts on my last post when you get a chance. Seems to be a subject you have more knowledge than I on. I have just recently been more in tune with the idea and reality of the big picture.
 
That got me thinking, all the pools of water in our bottoms had minnows in them. Even the stagnant looking ones that I treated with those dunk's. Makes me wonder if they have been helping eat up the larvae that likely grow in them.
 
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Sometimes we think we are helping and we aren't. This year was particularly bad for flies and I would imagine it was the same for midges. Anyone here at my place for the summer shoot noticed.
 
@Creamer and @giles the habitat that is not developed or farmed is typically swampy or land with water flowing through it. The deer that live in city limits have lots of water options

I'm not sure I 100% buy that in the case of the area I'm talking about. Those river bottoms are heavily farmed on both sides of the river just south of Athens. The campus/city deer where I am seeing them don't have a lot of water options outside of the same one south of town: the Hocking. There is a golf course pond, but that is a couple of solid miles on foot from where I am seeing the large numbers of city deer. As someone who fishes the river frequently along campus, I can tell you the banks are coated in deer tracks. I'm not sure what the scientific stuff says about EHD/midges/moving water but I'd have a hard time believing those midges can't reproduce in the slower areas of the river. There are not a lot of ponds in this general area, and with the lack of rain I'd be fairly positive there are no puddle areas left right now.
 
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@Curran

I would like to hear your thoughts on my last post when you get a chance. Seems to be a subject you have more knowledge than I on. I have just recently been more in tune with the idea and reality of the big picture.
Your mind and mine are tracking along the same lines. We'll let the others decide if that's good or bad or possibly dangerous if we ever get to hang out together. :ROFLMAO:

I always default to looking at habitat and environment because I think it just makes sense to first look at where something lives and assess those living conditions. Just as a healthy human cannot thrive in an unhealthy environment, neither can wildlife. Not that I am an expert in any way at all, but I've read enough, listened to enough people way smarter than me, and have seen the results of what high-quality habitat can do versus what low-quality habitat does. The results are never instant, but over time, there is evidence right in front of our faces. We just don't recognize it because of the timeframe it takes for the results to show.

Since planting more wildflowers and letting portions of our yard grow wild, we have insects, butterflies, bees, snakes, birds, and rabbits all around. Fawns bedded in our yard this spring because there was a place to hide (until I bumped them out dog training). I want to do more because it looks better and saves on mowing time. I just have to plant strategically so my bride approves... she like the flowers.

Are deer doing fine? Across the vast landscape, yes, but in pockets of EHD, the answer is a resounding, no. Also, deer are a game species that the majority of states are managing for revenue. So those game populations are going to remain somewhat stable. Regardless of the management practices, I do think deer are now being impacted by changes in habitat which probably has a connection to EHD outbreaks. Habitat is one factor that we can also have an impact on. To many of your points above, our impacts on habitat are negative: mowning everything, manicured lawns, chemical runoff from those weedless lawns, monocropped agricultural fields, chemical runoff and soil degradation from spraying everything, fencerows continuously being removed to maximize every acre, fast-growing invasives out-pacing slow-growing natives, the list goes on and on.

If we expand our vision, nearly all wildlife populations are declining... but we're not changing our behavior toward habitat.

Insects - https://www.reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-ENVIRONMENT/INSECT-APOCALYPSE/egpbykdxjvq/

Birds - https://www.audubon.org/magazine/sw...birds-declining-sharply-across-range-habitats

All wildlife - https://environmentamerica.org/articles/new-report-a-staggering-73-drop-in-wildlife-populations/

These are all HUGE global issues, but I believe a portion of the solutions are tied to improving localized habitat.

If we want improved fawn recruitment, large expanses of quality bedding habitat is crucial for hiding from predators. The same for turkey nesting and all ground nesting birds. Improved habitat also increases the amount of insects for baby and adult birds to feed on. Diverse habitat with a variety of age-classes of bushes and trees helps all wildlife, from pollinators to big game. Plus those diverse age classes of plant life also harness more carbon from the atmosphere. So if a politician wants to tax for climate change, tell them to shove their taxes where the sun don't shine and start managing our farms, prairies and forests to actually make a difference.
 
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