Active shooter
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rsmith
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I don't disagree that the Richies should be charged for their part in it and it's a complete failure that they and the officers were not prosecuted. But regardless of what the caller said the ultimate responsibility lies with the responding officers. They shot that man dead without warning or even attempting to assess the situation. Police officers are not the judge, jury and executioner, they are the individuals responsible for apprehending innocent citizens to be brought before a judge and jury to be proven guilty. Yes innocent. They don't get to decide if a person is guilty, only if that person should be apprehended and charges recommended to the prosecutor. If the person resists to the point they become a threat to the officer or others then deadly force can be used. But they first have to assess that personally, not on the word of a citizen calling 911. Barging into a situation with the intent to neutralize a person is reckless at best and goes against everything police were intended to be. They are not war fighters operating in tactical units against a defined enemy, despite what their tactical gear leads them to believe.
I support our men and women in law enforcement and think they have a very difficult and thankless job. Especially in today's times. But running around in full battle rattle driving MRAPs through town like they're part of delta force does nothing to gain the trust of the populous. The people they serve are starting to look at them like an enemy because they're acting and looking like an occupying force instead of civil servants.
Joe...problem with these types of situations is that experience is what counts. Beyond LEO, the general population also thinks they are badass because they have an Eotech on a shotgun. Kinda like everyone waking around in Tap Out shirts...bunch of bad mother fuggers. It's the hype of today.
rsmith
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My problem with the whole walmart situation is a couple things.
1) the officers are going in not knowing exactly what is going on so they are on high alert and adrenaline rushing.
2) they turn the corner and shoot the guy before establishing he was a actual threat, just saw a gun and shot. "Shoot first ask later"
3) poor knowledge of firearms by the general public leads to idiots calling and creating a threat that isn't really there which costed this guy his life.
4) what would you do if you responded to a call about a guy walking around a store with a gun, not knowing his intentions or the real story. Your life is on the line if you react to slow, but you could also make a costly mistake like what happened here.
It's a rock and a hard place situation and is a tough spot for officers to be in. The general public needs to take a firearms basics course, if they knew more about guns and not be a bunch of pussies about it. Most only know they go bang and can kill you and assult rifles are scary, and if they knew more this could have all been avoided.
1) the officers are going in not knowing exactly what is going on so they are on high alert and adrenaline rushing.
2) they turn the corner and shoot the guy before establishing he was a actual threat, just saw a gun and shot. "Shoot first ask later"
3) poor knowledge of firearms by the general public leads to idiots calling and creating a threat that isn't really there which costed this guy his life.
4) what would you do if you responded to a call about a guy walking around a store with a gun, not knowing his intentions or the real story. Your life is on the line if you react to slow, but you could also make a costly mistake like what happened here.
It's a rock and a hard place situation and is a tough spot for officers to be in. The general public needs to take a firearms basics course, if they knew more about guns and not be a bunch of pussies about it. Most only know they go bang and can kill you and assult rifles are scary, and if they knew more this could have all been avoided.
Joel
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Asking for college students to take extra training to be able to carry is unconstitutional. I agree not everyone should be carrying a gun but that's not up to me, you or the government to decide.
The walmart thing was a lying customer calling 911 for fun and an officer responded that should have had more training.
The walmart thing was a lying customer calling 911 for fun and an officer responded that should have had more training.
I read somewhere that off-duty cops in situations like that (when the uniformed officers arrive) immediately drop their weapons, get their hands up and comply with all orders.
They don't talk, don't wait to be told to drop their weapons, don't try to identify themselves as cops, get badges out, etc. It's weapon on the ground, hands up, comply. The good guys get sorted out later.
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I agree. But what most don't know is the guy who called the police, my wife was his wife's manager. She came to work the next day bragging to anyone that would listen about how they were the ones who called the cops, how the guy was loading the gun and pointing it at people etc. Trying to a t like a real hero. The husband was the one on the phone the wife was right there with him. They were sneaking around shelves waiving at people to get their attention and whispering he's got a gun, get out of here, tell other people. They followed him around the store watching him the whole time while on the phone with the cops. After the footage was released and none of what they said on the phone was found to be true she quit and her and her husband immediately moved to Florida about a week after it happened. Didn't even tell the cops where they went. They were running because they knew they were lying shit bags . Ultimately a judge decided not to bring them up on charges which is beyond me. Both of them are pure white trash idiots who were trying to make something that it wasn't and start drama. Which ended in two people losing their life. One was a innocent mother who died of a stress induced heart attack fleeing the store after the richies spun everyone up. But regardless of all that the police should have done a better job once on the scene by evaluating the threat instead of shooting first and asking questions later. The ultimate responsibility and death is on their hands. Blows my mind how not a soul will stand to answer for these two deaths in court.
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That doesn't work when the person is on the phone talking to his sister and the first sound he hears is the officers rifle going off as soon as the officer rounds the corner.