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I have an older Savage 110-G with an adjustable trigger. (pre accutrigger) If you adjust it too far it'll fire when the bolt closes. back it off about a hair.
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I have an older Savage 110-G with an adjustable trigger. (pre accutrigger) If you adjust it too far it'll fire when the bolt closes. back it off about a hair.
Hortontoter
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I hear you Joe. But, the older 700,s are known to have faulty triggers and do fire unexpectedly. Do a little research and you will see what I'm warning against.
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But the 700 trigger was always adjustable but it was knowing how to do adjust it correctly and safely. I'm in the believe most of these so called faulty triggers were owner adjusted. Been around Rem 700's for almost 50 yrs and never known one to have a factory faulty trigger or hear of one close by. I also believe the internet has a lot to do with this.
Hortontoter
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America’s oldest gun manufacturer, Remington, has agreed to replace millions of triggers in its most popular product—the Model 700 rifle. The company has been riddled for years with claims the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled, often with deadly results.
A 2010 CNBC documentary, “Remington Under Fire: A CNBC Investigation,” explored allegations that for decades the company covered up a design defect, which Remington continues to deny. But now, under a nationwide settlement filed Friday in a federal court in Missouri, the company is agreeing to replace the triggers in about 7.85 million rifles.
While insisting its action is not a recall of the iconic gun, Remington says in a statement that it is agreeing to make the changes “to avoid the uncertainties and expense of protracted litigation.”
The settlement involves a class action suit brought in 2013 by Ian Pollard of Concordia, Missouri, who claimed his Remington 700 rifle fired on multiple occasions without the trigger being pulled. The agreement also settles a similar class action case in Washington state. The Pollard suit accused Remington and its owners of negligence, breach of warranty, unfair and deceptive trade practices, and fraudulent concealment—some of it involving the company’s formal response to the 2010 CNBC documentary.
At least two dozen deaths and more than 100 serious injuries have been linked to inadvertent discharges of Remington 700 series rifles.
In court filings, Remington denied the allegations, calling them “inaccurate, misleading, (and) taken out of context.” And last year, a judge dismissed several of the claims, including negligence and fraudulent concealment. But by this July, the parties announced they were working out details of a “nationwide class settlement” involving the controversial gun.
Under the settlement, which still must be approved by a judge, Remington has agreed to retrofit the rifles in question at no cost to the owner. Many users had new trigger mechanisms installed on their own, and Remington will reimburse them as part of the settlement. For guns that cannot be retrofitted, the company plans to offer vouchers for Remington products.
The settlement covers more than a dozen models, specifically the Model 700, Seven, Sportsman 78, 673, 710, 715, 770, 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725.
Remington’s 700 series, which began with the Model 721 shortly after World War II, has been wildly popular not only with hunters and target shooters, but also with law enforcement and the U.S. military. The gun is prized for its accuracy and smooth operation, thanks to a unique trigger mechanism patented in the 1940s by Remington engineer Merle “Mike” Walker.
But the CNBC investigation revealed that even before the gun went on the market, Walker himself had discovered a potential problem with the trigger he designed. In a 1946 memo, he warned of a “theoretical unsafe condition” involving the gun’s safety—the mechanism that’s supposed to keep the rifle from firing accidentally.
Subsequent memos during the testing process noted guns could be made to fire simply by switching off the safety or operating the bolt. “This situation can be very dangerous from a safety and functional point of view,” said a 1947 inspection report.
While Walker contended the issue had to do with the manufacturing process and not his design, critics including firearms experts and plaintiffs’ attorneys have argued that the same aspects of the design that allow the gun to fire so smoothly also make it possible for internal parts of the trigger to become misaligned, rendering the gun unsafe. Specifically, they cite a tiny part called a “trigger connector,” which they say can become clogged with rust or debris. Under the settlement, Remington plans to replace the triggers with “connectorless” mechanisms—a similar fix to one Walker himself proposed in 1948.
Walker died in 2013 at age 101. But he told CNBC in 2010 that he believed Remington’s rejection of his proposal back then “had something to do with cost.” A 1948 internal analysis obtained by CNBC estimated the cost of the change to be 5 ½ cents per gun.
Remington has always maintained the guns are safe, and that the documents obtained by CNBC are merely evidence of the company’s attention to quality. The company claimed every accident was the result of user error.
A 2010 CNBC documentary, “Remington Under Fire: A CNBC Investigation,” explored allegations that for decades the company covered up a design defect, which Remington continues to deny. But now, under a nationwide settlement filed Friday in a federal court in Missouri, the company is agreeing to replace the triggers in about 7.85 million rifles.
While insisting its action is not a recall of the iconic gun, Remington says in a statement that it is agreeing to make the changes “to avoid the uncertainties and expense of protracted litigation.”
The settlement involves a class action suit brought in 2013 by Ian Pollard of Concordia, Missouri, who claimed his Remington 700 rifle fired on multiple occasions without the trigger being pulled. The agreement also settles a similar class action case in Washington state. The Pollard suit accused Remington and its owners of negligence, breach of warranty, unfair and deceptive trade practices, and fraudulent concealment—some of it involving the company’s formal response to the 2010 CNBC documentary.
At least two dozen deaths and more than 100 serious injuries have been linked to inadvertent discharges of Remington 700 series rifles.
In court filings, Remington denied the allegations, calling them “inaccurate, misleading, (and) taken out of context.” And last year, a judge dismissed several of the claims, including negligence and fraudulent concealment. But by this July, the parties announced they were working out details of a “nationwide class settlement” involving the controversial gun.
Under the settlement, which still must be approved by a judge, Remington has agreed to retrofit the rifles in question at no cost to the owner. Many users had new trigger mechanisms installed on their own, and Remington will reimburse them as part of the settlement. For guns that cannot be retrofitted, the company plans to offer vouchers for Remington products.
The settlement covers more than a dozen models, specifically the Model 700, Seven, Sportsman 78, 673, 710, 715, 770, 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725.
Remington’s 700 series, which began with the Model 721 shortly after World War II, has been wildly popular not only with hunters and target shooters, but also with law enforcement and the U.S. military. The gun is prized for its accuracy and smooth operation, thanks to a unique trigger mechanism patented in the 1940s by Remington engineer Merle “Mike” Walker.
But the CNBC investigation revealed that even before the gun went on the market, Walker himself had discovered a potential problem with the trigger he designed. In a 1946 memo, he warned of a “theoretical unsafe condition” involving the gun’s safety—the mechanism that’s supposed to keep the rifle from firing accidentally.
Subsequent memos during the testing process noted guns could be made to fire simply by switching off the safety or operating the bolt. “This situation can be very dangerous from a safety and functional point of view,” said a 1947 inspection report.
While Walker contended the issue had to do with the manufacturing process and not his design, critics including firearms experts and plaintiffs’ attorneys have argued that the same aspects of the design that allow the gun to fire so smoothly also make it possible for internal parts of the trigger to become misaligned, rendering the gun unsafe. Specifically, they cite a tiny part called a “trigger connector,” which they say can become clogged with rust or debris. Under the settlement, Remington plans to replace the triggers with “connectorless” mechanisms—a similar fix to one Walker himself proposed in 1948.
Walker died in 2013 at age 101. But he told CNBC in 2010 that he believed Remington’s rejection of his proposal back then “had something to do with cost.” A 1948 internal analysis obtained by CNBC estimated the cost of the change to be 5 ½ cents per gun.
Remington has always maintained the guns are safe, and that the documents obtained by CNBC are merely evidence of the company’s attention to quality. The company claimed every accident was the result of user error.
In class action suits it's just easier to make a repair so it goes away. Make millions of those models and have a handful of problems doesn't make it a bad product.
Hortontoter
Senior Member
Believe what you want to Frank. I personally know two other individuals that have had these guns fire, both upon closing the bolt or moving the safety to the fire position. Neither of the guns ever had triggers adjusted in any way and both were bought brand new.
It has been plenty more than a handful. Remington has had issues....many issues actually. I had a 700 that would fire closing the bolt. Talk about giving you the "jumps".
Had an R!...had a recall.
Had an 887...recalll
Had an R!...had a recall.
Had an 887...recalll
BTW if I were looking at a cheaper rifle that has proven good accuracy I would go with the Ruger American line. I have a predator that shoots factory ammo under .75" 5 shot groups. Many great reviews for those rifles. Next up would be Howa.
2nd on the Howa. I bought mine for $400 and it's a Japanese Weatherby w/o the fancy stock. '06. Very accurate and sweet bolt/trigger pull. It was used but not too much, and in great condition. I will put a Boyd's stock on it someday however for now it's a-ok.
Remington's problems are the type of people they are hiring at low wages, not to mention the changes in corporate ownership affecting plant management. I saw a guy trying to sight in a brand new model 770 30/06 that was shooting 6' to the left. this gun came with a scope and the mount screw holes were drastically crook so there was NO way to line the scope with the barrel.
Also it seems Rem stopped making this model with the super cheap plastic trigger guard.
As for the Remington 870 express its still a good gun for the price but the ugly part is the shot blasted metal instead of bluing.
Also it seems Rem stopped making this model with the super cheap plastic trigger guard.
As for the Remington 870 express its still a good gun for the price but the ugly part is the shot blasted metal instead of bluing.
Awesome original poster is headed west for a DiY elk hunt!!!
+1 for 30-06, and + 1 for model 700
Grew up around and with a model 700 in a 30-06. All around great gun. Although it is from the 70's, didn't qualify for the trigger replacement (so it's not a universal replacement). The only think I never liked about it was that you had to disengage the safety to open the bolt. If you fired, no problem. But if you want to unload, you have to go from safety to fire, then eject the live round...never made sense to me. So always important to keep that muzzle in a safe direction, as with any firearm.
+1 for 30-06, and + 1 for model 700
Grew up around and with a model 700 in a 30-06. All around great gun. Although it is from the 70's, didn't qualify for the trigger replacement (so it's not a universal replacement). The only think I never liked about it was that you had to disengage the safety to open the bolt. If you fired, no problem. But if you want to unload, you have to go from safety to fire, then eject the live round...never made sense to me. So always important to keep that muzzle in a safe direction, as with any firearm.
angelzd28
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When I lived in Spokane WA, I went to the Cabelas and narrowed down my hunting rifle to the 700 and a Browning A-bolt, both in 308. I decided on the Browning, it just felt better and looked better made to me. Just my 2 cents......