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Baiting, what's it mean to you?

If killing a deer is so difficult over bait, answer my question. Why do such a large percentage of hunters use this tactic, especially in the later part of the season.

I agree that bait, most times, does make mature bucks nocturnal. But, to just kill a deer I still believe baiting is the easiest way to score.
 
Hortontoter said:
If killing a deer is so difficult over bait, answer my question. Why do such a large percentage of hunters use this tactic, especially in the later part of the season.

I agree that bait, most times, does make mature bucks nocturnal. But, to just kill a deer I still believe baiting is the easiest way to score.
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Agreed....
 
Hortontoter said:
If killing a deer is so difficult over bait, answer my question. Why do such a large percentage of hunters use this tactic, especially in the later part of the season.

I agree that bait, most times, does make mature bucks nocturnal. But, to just kill a deer I still believe baiting is the easiest way to score.
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There is a massive difference between killing "a" deer over bait. And killing "that" deer over bait. Especially when that deer is a mature buck. Any goober can kill a deer, especially over bait. I agree with him in that outside the dead of winter a mature buck is harder to kill over bait than if you didn't have bait at all. And even in the dead of winter it's still not a given. If you're running bait to kill a specific buck you best be dang smart about it and keep one step ahead of him. It's the difference between hiding from a deer to kill him by surprise, and manipulating his thoughts to outsmart him when he absolutely knows you're there.

The reason a lot of people do it is to see wildlife and kill a deer. That's not hard to do at all. But to run bait to kill a specific mature whitetail is a whole other ball game. One that requires some very careful planning, strategy, and attention to detail. You have to know that buck inside and out if you have any chance at all of it working.
 
Jackalope said:
There is a massive difference between killing "a" deer over bait. And killing "that" deer over bait. Especially when that deer is a mature buck. Any goober can kill a deer, especially over bait. I agree with him in that outside the dead of winter a mature buck is harder to kill over bait than if you didn't have bait at all. And even in the dead of winter it's still not a given. If you're running bait to kill a specific buck you best be dang smart about it and keep one step ahead of him. It's the difference between hiding from a deer to kill him by surprise, and manipulating his thoughts to outsmart him when he absolutely knows you're there.

The reason a lot of people do it is to see wildlife and kill a deer. That's not hard to do at all. But to run bait to kill a specific mature whitetail is a whole other ball game. One that requires some very careful planning, strategy, and attention to detail. You have to know that buck inside and out if you have any chance at all of it working.
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This.

If killing a big buck late over corn was slam dunk, then I should have 8 deer on the wall and not 3. I bait for a number of reasons, but making it easier to kill a mature buck really isn't one. Now with my daughter getting interested in things, I'll be baiting like never before. Getting them to come in so she can watch them is priority #1 right now. Me shooting one at some point is down the list.
 
Joe brings up a great plus for baiting. Watching all the animals and birds it attracts makes for interesting sits. When I hunted near a feeder for a couple of seasons about 6 years ago I had three raccoons that visited it just before dark. I finally named them Larry, Curly and Moe. The antics they used to get corn from the spinner made for some great free entertainment while on stand.
 
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The intent of this thread was to see the different thoughts of "what baiting means to each of you". Not if bait works, that's obvious. But it seems everyone has a little bit different thoughts on what baiting is, except Joe... If you see an animal, that fugger was baited somehow...lol
 
giles said:
The intent of this thread was to see the different thoughts of "what baiting means to each of you". Not if bait works, that's obvious. But it seems everyone has a little bit different thoughts on what baiting is, except Joe... If you see an animal, that fugger was baited somehow...lol
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Know why there aren't any deer on the salt flats. There's nothing enticing them to be there. Nobody is going to hunt there because there's nothing to take advantage of as bait to attract them. . Rather they're going to hunt where the deer are being enticed to be. Plain and simple we're using bait that enticed an animal to help us kill it. It's irrelevant if we put it there or not. The end result to the animal who was enticed is the same.
 
Jackalope said:
Know why there aren't any deer on the salt flats. There's nothing enticing them to be there. Nobody is going to hunt there because there's nothing to take advantage of as bait to attract them. . Rather they're going to hunt where the deer are being enticed to be. Plain and simple we're using bait that enticed an animal to help us kill it. It's irrelevant if we put it there or not. The end result to the animal who was enticed is the same.
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Somebody take his stick...
 
So I had a little meeting this evening and some things were brought to my attention about baiting in Ohio and food plots were very much included. I will say that if you think baiting and food plots will never be stopped in Ohio, I think you might be surprised. "Nature sanctuaries" seem to be on the rise all over the world. They also care mostly about the plants.

How does this effect us hunters you ask? (They used a bunch of big words way above my level of comprehension, but I'll give you what I heard) the bio ecosystem is way out of whack right now around the world. The world is having a problem with transporting different seeds into places they don't belong (invasive plants, non native). There is some big groups out right now making some big pushes to stop the baiting of deer because of this. This same group (in Ohio) is pushing for hunters to kill more deer because they are feeding on the native plants and it's helping the invasive plants take over.

I'm not sure if any of that makes sense or not, I'm often not very good at putting things on paper. My mind works much faster than these fat fingers.

Joe, I'm not going to give the name of where I got this info. So don't even try. Lol

Jesse, with your work of line you might know the group I speak of. I didn't catch the name of the big (world) group. I guess it started in Africa, something about a bush taking over the grass lands.

Lastly, this is third hand info and I just shared everything I know on the subject. I was more in shock that it was such a big deal and the wild approach to how it effected hunters in multiple ways. Damn tree huggers...
 
giles said:
So I had a little meeting this evening and some things were brought to my attention about baiting in Ohio and food plots were very much included. I will say that if you think baiting and food plots will never be stopped in Ohio, I think you might be surprised. "Nature sanctuaries" seem to be on the rise all over the world. They also care mostly about the plants.

How does this effect us hunters you ask? (They used a bunch of big words way above my level of comprehension, but I'll give you what I heard) the bio ecosystem is way out of whack right now around the world. The world is having a problem with transporting different seeds into places they don't belong (invasive plants, non native). There is some big groups out right now making some big pushes to stop the baiting of deer because of this. This same group (in Ohio) is pushing for hunters to kill more deer because they are feeding on the native plants and it's helping the invasive plants take over.

I'm not sure if any of that makes sense or not, I'm often not very good at putting things on paper. My mind works much faster than these fat fingers.

Joe, I'm not going to give the name of where I got this info. So don't even try. Lol

Jesse, with your work of line you might know the group I speak of. I didn't catch the name of the big (world) group. I guess it started in Africa, something about a bush taking over the grass lands.

Lastly, this is third hand info and I just shared everything I know on the subject. I was more in shock that it was such a big deal and the wild approach to how it effected hunters in multiple ways. Damn tree huggers...
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You don't have to buddy. I'm well aware of them. The group is likely called The Nature Conservancy or TNC. They've been trying to lock up land in Ohio and reduce deer populations for a long time. A couple years ago they ran a huge radio campaign asking landowners to donate or enlist their lands in their conservancy programs. One of the places hunt is quasi controlled by this and other semi tree hugging groups. They allow some of us to hunt because the deer eat their precious plants in their sanctuary. They're not anti hunting but they do small of pechuli and wear man sandals as they do plant inventories. Lol. They hate deer, I like to hunt, play the angle right and you might get a nice place to hunt. Especially if you can do a little research and talk about plants with them, oh and those evil farmers and their herbicides and pesticides.
 
Jackalope said:
You don't have to buddy. I'm well aware of them. The group is likely called The Nature Conservancy or TNC. They've been trying to lock up land in Ohio and reduce deer populations for a long time. A couple years ago they ran a huge radio campaign asking landowners to donate or enlist their lands in their conservancy programs. One of the places hunt is quasi controlled by this and other semi tree hugging groups. They allow some of us to hunt because the deer eat their precious plants in their sanctuary. They're not anti hunting but they do small of pechuli and wear man sandals as they do plant inventories. Lol. They hate deer, I like to hunt, play the angle right and you might get a nice place to hunt. Especially if you can do a little research and talk about plants with them, oh and those evil farmers and their herbicides and pesticides.
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That's not the name in my area. I'm glad you get the opportunity to take advantage of the hunting program. This is my third year...second year as a lead (been in the program since it started around here). This was the first year we got to sit down and talk with them. It's always been lecture style meetings before this one. I ain't gonna go out and buy me a set of Berkinstocks or anything, but it gave me a different look on things like honey suckle. And I've got a tone of that on my property.
 
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