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Broadheads

bigten05 said:
the 3 blade rage do some damage like i said never had a problem with them opening or not leaving good blood. its all shot placement anyways.think out of the ten deer ive shot with the rages 8 have been complete pass threws.
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Oh. Not saying they won't kill deer or do some damage... But think about this.. Wouldn't it be nice to not worry about it though... Say for instance If a deer is slightly quartering and all you have for a path to the vitals is through the shoulder; wouldn't it be nice to settle the pin, touch the release, and not have to worry about that shoulder or how the BH is going to perform. But to know 100% that your broadhead is going to bust that bone, penetrate the vitals, and leave an exit hole.

A couple years ago I shot a doe at about 35 yards hard quartering away... The slick trick went in cutting her back two ribs.. Went through the vitals.. Busted the offside shoulder paddle and was sticking 9 or so inches out the other side. The blades only had a slight wave on the edges. Some guys have trouble getting their BH through a shoulder and into vitals.. That BH went through two ribs, half a deer length wise, and still had enough ass to bust the shoulder, and stick out enough to reach vitals again if that was the entry hole.

2 years ago i shot one through the paddle on a high angle shot. The BH entered low in the V of the paddle, and hit the offside femur bone about 1.5 inches below the big ball joint. Busted it in 4 pieces, exited completely. The blades again just had a slight wave on the edge...

I'm not saying the ST is the best BH in the universe, because there are plenty of others just as tough.. I love having the comfort of knowing that when i touch that release, there isn't a bone in the front half of that deer that will stop that BH from reaching vitals.. Straight down spine shot, high entry paddle shot. Leg back, slightly quartering too. Matters not to me anymore.
 
Jackalope said:
Oh. Not saying they won't kill deer or do some damage... But think about this.. Wouldn't it be nice to not worry about it though... Say for instance If a deer is slightly quartering and all you have for a path to the vitals is through the shoulder; wouldn't it be nice to settle the pin, touch the release, and not have to worry about that shoulder or how the BH is going to perform. But to know 100% that your broadhead is going to bust that bone, penetrate the vitals, and leave an exit hole.

A couple years ago I shot a doe at about 35 yards hard quartering away... The slick trick went in cutting her back two ribs.. Went through the vitals.. Busted the offside shoulder paddle and was sticking 9 or so inches out the other side. The blades only had a slight wave on the edges. Some guys have trouble getting their BH through a shoulder and into vitals.. That BH went through two ribs, half a deer length wise, and still had enough ass to bust the shoulder, and stick out enough to reach vitals again if that was the entry hole.

2 years ago i shot one through the paddle on a high angle shot. The BH entered low in the V of the paddle, and hit the offside femur bone about 1.5 inches below the big ball joint. Busted it in 4 pieces, exited completely. The blades again just had a slight wave on the edge...

I'm not saying the ST is the best BH in the universe, because there are plenty of others just as tough.. I love having the comfort of knowing that when i touch that release, there isn't a bone in the front half of that deer that will stop that BH from reaching vitals.. Straight down spine shot, high entry paddle shot. Leg back, slightly quartering too. Matters not to me anymore.
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Shoot one through a 250 lb buck this year and if you get the same results I might consider trying them out..... The bone structure on a doe versus a heavy buck is a little bit different.
 
Years ago I shot the Razor BaK 3 blade broadhead, they quit making them about 10 years ago. For the past 10 years I have shot the NAP crossfires, no complaints and they do some real damage. They are made on the same principal as the RazorBaks with the ferrel still and the blades spininng. Love them!
 
Gern186 said:
Shoot one through a 250 lb buck this year and if you get the same results I might consider trying them out..... The bone structure on a doe versus a heavy buck is a little bit different.
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hence the reason for my setup.....its just not the same. its just not something many will want to believe..
 
Gern186 said:
Shoot one through a 250 lb buck this year and if you get the same results I might consider trying them out..... The bone structure on a doe versus a heavy buck is a little bit different.
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Agreed about bone structures. Are their shoulders tougher than blue wildebeest?


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I don't know, never been to africa...... I'm willing to bet your slick tricks will punch right through a bucks shoulder and penetrate the other shoulder blade if you shoot enough poundage. I have blown through a lot of shoulder blades using fixed blade heads.....Muzzy, Wasp, Crimson Talon to name a few. I think the key ingredient to breaking bone is having plenty of speed behind the arrow. I love hearing that solid "Crrrrrrrrraaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!" sound as a broadhead smacks into the shoulder blade.

If you can bust through the bone, not only is it lethal, it also severely disables the animal from wanting to run very far.
 
Gern186 said:
I don't know, never been to africa...... I'm willing to bet your slick tricks will punch right through a bucks shoulder and penetrate the other shoulder blade if you shoot enough poundage. I have blown through a lot of shoulder blades using fixed blade heads.....Muzzy, Wasp, Crimson Talon to name a few. I think the key ingredient to breaking bone is having plenty of speed behind the arrow. I love hearing that solid "Crrrrrrrrraaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!" sound as a broadhead smacks into the shoulder blade.

If you can bust through the bone, not only is it lethal, it also severely disables the animal from wanting to run very far.
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I'm shooting about 72 ft lbs of KE.. The Wildebeest was shot at 37 yards with a 463 grain arrow. 125gr ST... No poundage listed. But I'm guessing it wasn't the 80 pounders some hunt with in Africa due to GPI and spine. . Another thing to look at. The blades on a ST are 33% thicker than those on a Crimson tallon. CT = .024, ST=.035 and Muzzies are even worse at .020-.025 depending on model. I'm not saying they suck.. They have all killed their fair share of game in their days. I'm just elaborating on how much tougher ST are.

An interesting image i found on my searches.
Here is a Rage two blade after a Rib shot on an elk no pass through. Mind you these are elk ribs. I wonder how comparable an elks rib is to a big mature bucks paddle.
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hoot gibson said:
the white one is mine . about 170 , flint ridge flint . the brown one is 7500 years old at least . i killed a doe with it last year , second day. took it to the shop saterday night . hafted it to a hickory shaft , sharpened it and killed a fat doe the next morning .
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That's awesome. Did you knap the first one?
 
RedCloud said:
One reason I won't shoot a single plain slicer style mechanical blade. A clean slice will have more of a chance to get wet with blood and seal it's self back closed. I 3-4 blade BH will cut a hole (jagged edges) and you won't have this issue. Much harder for the flap of skin to cover a hole where there is flesh missing rather then have just a millimeter to close from a slit. Of course this is all my opinion and the reason I won't do it and then when you add in the fact of mechanical failure, No thanks. I'll pass.
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I think I remember reading an article in D&DH a couple years ago that talked about the circulatory system of whitetails. If my memory is correct, it stated that a clean slice was actually less prone to coagulation that a jagged cut.... Something about slicing the tiny blood vessels vs. tearing them... Hence the reason for hunting with razor-sharp broadheads.

As far as the high entrance wounds go, I couldn't agree with you more dude. I shot a doe from the ground a few years ago... A complete pass through, but it was a little high. I watched her pile up in sight, not 50 yds away. Good thing, too... because I didn't find a drop of blood on the ground from the spot I shot her to where she layed. Nine times out of ten, a high entrance without an exit wound is going to result in a frustrating tracking mission.
 
Gern186 said:
I don't know, never been to africa...... I'm willing to bet your slick tricks will punch right through a bucks shoulder and penetrate the other shoulder blade if you shoot enough poundage. I have blown through a lot of shoulder blades using fixed blade heads.....Muzzy, Wasp, Crimson Talon to name a few. I think the key ingredient to breaking bone is having plenty of speed behind the arrow. I love hearing that solid "Crrrrrrrrraaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!" sound as a broadhead smacks into the shoulder blade.

If you can bust through the bone, not only is it lethal, it also severely disables the animal from wanting to run very far.
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but if you shoot enough poundage couldnt you shoot through both sholder blades with a blunt?
 
I don't understand why any of you shoot expandable heads. Not dissing yall just wondering why you take the chance? What benefits are there compared to a fixed blade head that I'm not seeing?
 
Diablo54 said:
I don't understand why any of you shoot expandable heads. Not dissing yall just wondering why you take the chance? What benefits are there compared to a fixed blade head that I'm not seeing?
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No/little broadhead tuning and potential (depending on the head) larger holes.

Beentown
 
Diablo54 said:
But I can do the same with a Simmons tree shark. 2 inch hole
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And it is 190 grain broadhead. Most guys shoot from 85-125's for target/punching paper and don't wanna switch to 190 grain head. IF they are anything like I saw the Interceptors I have seen then good luck tuning that thing with a bow that shoots over 270 fps.

I am a fixed broadhead guy myself but expanders have there place. I shoot three broadheads now. Steelforce non-serrated, Montecs and Rocky Mountain Snypers. I have no issues with any. The biggest downfall for an expandable for me is that I chalk them up as a loss after hitting an animal. Usually destroyed.

Beentown
 
JBrown said:
I think I remember reading an article in D&DH a couple years ago that talked about the circulatory system of whitetails. If my memory is correct, it stated that a clean slice was actually less prone to coagulation that a jagged cut.... Something about slicing the tiny blood vessels vs. tearing them... Hence the reason for hunting with razor-sharp broadheads.

As far as the high entrance wounds go, I couldn't agree with you more dude. I shot a doe from the ground a few years ago... A complete pass through, but it was a little high. I watched her pile up in sight, not 50 yds away. Good thing, too... because I didn't find a drop of blood on the ground from the spot I shot her to where she layed. Nine times out of ten, a high entrance without an exit wound is going to result in a frustrating tracking mission.
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I should have worded that a little different lol. So hard sometimes to convey in written or typed words what I'm seeing and thinking in my head lol. Let me see if I can get some pics to go along with what I was thinking and see if that helps lol.

Shot with a ST 4 blade BH

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Using multiple cutting planes it makes a hole and not a SLIT like the rage. I don't think the Rage BH will continue to twist once it hits unlike the BH Milo is testing. The Rage just goes straight in and stays on the same cutting plane all the way.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is this. It's a lot easier to close a straight line cut then it is a circular hole in my mind.
 
hoot gibson said:
its all about the speed . the flatter it shoots the farther away you can be a killer .
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Hunters and fisherman have a funny thing going.

Some people bowhunt to make it harder by having to get closer and use more movement. But some push the limit, whether it is by using tech or extensive practice to make themselves as lethal as far away as they can with a bow in hand.

Put a fisherman on land and he will cast the middle. Give him a boat and he will cast towards shore.

Run what you brung and have fun!

Beentown
 
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