Had picture of him all summer . Couldn't tell if he was on the property before or not . He held his velvet into the 2nd week of archery . There was something weird about him hormonally . Shot him in archery and lost him due to some atv riders that jumped him in his bed . Ended up getting more photos of him before rifle . Shot him the last Thursday eve of rifle . Overall he was a smaller bodied deer so I'm think 2 1/2 or maybe 3 1/2 .