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Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.

Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.

HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.

Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)

People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him.

Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.

This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.

For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?

How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.

How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces

The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.

I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”
 
Again I get what he’s saying, but again there’s nothing too prevent you from getting. There’s only mitigating steps too slow the spread. Most everyone I know takes steps to help from spreading it. Washing hands, social distancing while out in public.
But people will continue too get it, until they show up with a vaccine too stop it.
Fast forward, I’ll continue on the path that I’ve been on, it’ll either work out for me or it won’t. Either way I’m good with it... You can die doing the things you love with a little caution, or you can die holed up waiting it out... Either way in the end it’s the same... In the meantime, antibacterial hand sanitizer and staying away for the masses with wearing a mask (because it’s required) when needed.
 
Faucci's credentials are no longer strong enough to overcome his huge credibility problem. he's entitled to his opinion, but I noticed not one word of hope in that message. the typical one sided story of fear, doom, and gloom. unnecessary suffering and deaths? tell that to people who are literally starving to death or don't have fresh water to drink. suffering and dying are the inescapable perils of living from the time we take our first breath until we take our last.

until the medical and scientific communities come to a real consensus on this virus, I'll take my chances doing my own research and making my own choices about my health and safety.
 
Faucci's credentials are no longer strong enough to overcome his huge credibility problem. he's entitled to his opinion, but I noticed not one word of hope in that message. the typical one sided story of fear, doom, and gloom. unnecessary suffering and deaths? tell that to people who are literally starving to death or don't have fresh water to drink. suffering and dying are the inescapable perils of living from the time we take our first breath until we take our last.

until the medical and scientific communities come to a real consensus on this virus, I'll take my chances doing my own research and making my own choices about my health and safety.[/QUOT

Read his last paragraph again - in the medical community he is recognized as the very best in the world - in a faction on the political community not so much but that is slowly changing - Trump is walking back his Faucci attack and trying to mend fences with him now
 
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Have to agree with Jamie on this one. Fauci is not trustworthy. He admittedly lied to a nation to achieve an end. There's no way of knowing if he is or isn't doing the same now.
Ii

its just a hoax and will just go away like a mircale - whose the liar - what Faucci is saying weather you trust him or not are medical facts that are supported by the world medical community -
 
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its just a hoax and will just go away like a mircale - whose the liar - what Faucci is saying weather you trust him or not are medical facts that are supported by the world medical community -
You keep quoting Trump saying it’s a hoax, yet he has done everything Fauci and crew have asked.
 
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The virus doesn't read the bullshit you or me post, the virus doesn't have a political agenda - it waits for us to make a mistake like in Florida, Texas, Airzona, and Calif then strikes - sòoooooo - do what ya can to stay safe - follow the medical science - it has served us and our families well in our lifetime - btw the virus doesn't care about "argument to the man"
 
You keep quoting Trump saying it’s a hoax, yet he has done everything Fauci and crew have asked.

Well i was just trying to point out that discrediting a man for stating accepted medical facts serves no purpose - its a 2 way street - Trump has a terrible load on his plate to deal with as does the medical people - don't know about your "done everything" statement - we will never know
 
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nobody with a brain thinks this is a "hoax". I think we can get off of that unless this is really just about Donald Trump saying something stupid like every other POTUS has done at some point in their term.

that whole message is inflammatory fear mongering. I happen to think that most people are doing all the necessary things to mitigate their risk of spreading or contracting this bug. and since when does not quietly following the herd make us "cavelier"? and who the fuck is Dr. Anthony Faucci to judge me or you, or anyone? He lied purposefully, and directly to the entire American population, hell the entire world, really. A man in his position with any integrity at all simply does not do that unless he is corrupt or incompetent.

nobody is disputing the list of symptoms or precautions, which are the only "facts" I read in that statement. and by his own admission, "We literally *do not know* what we do not know." the obvious intended inference for us to make is that there is no good news on the horizon.

I guess the long and short of this is that you must think these doctors and politicians are genuinely trying to help. I disagree. they are trying to scare people into submission ( which begs the question "why?", but that's another topic). I'm simply not going to live out my days in fear of Covid 19. I don't want to get it (although I think I already did), and I don't want to spread it, and I don't blame Donald Trump for this mess, although he, along with lying Faucci, should take some responsibility for their words and actions.
 
If i didn't put "Faucci" at as the title of this thread would you guys have looked at the information differently or did "Faucci" shut the door. J I know you got the point and I agree with everything you said. I am thinking about you guys and your families and future - i'm circle n the drain and not worried about myself. I just can't wrap what little of my braiin that i have left around the mask/social distancing attitude in this country. I lock my doors at night but the chance of a break in or intruder are slim to none - uhm a dumb ass
 
nobody with a brain thinks this is a "hoax". I think we can get off of that unless this is really just about Donald Trump saying something stupid like every other POTUS has done at some point in their term.

that whole message is inflammatory fear mongering. I happen to think that most people are doing all the necessary things to mitigate their risk of spreading or contracting this bug. and since when does not quietly following the herd make us "cavelier"? and who the fuck is Dr. Anthony Faucci to judge me or you, or anyone? He lied purposefully, and directly to the entire American population, hell the entire world, really. A man in his position with any integrity at all simply does not do that unless he is corrupt or incompetent.

nobody is disputing the list of symptoms or precautions, which are the only "facts" I read in that statement. and by his own admission, "We literally *do not know* what we do not know." the obvious intended inference for us to make is that there is no good news on the horizon.

I guess the long and short of this is that you must think these doctors and politicians are genuinely trying to help. I disagree. they are trying to scare people into submission ( which begs the question "why?", but that's another topic). I'm simply not going to live out my days in fear of Covid 19. I don't want to get it (although I think I already did), and I don't want to spread it, and I don't blame Donald Trump for this mess, although he, along with lying Faucci, should take some responsibility for their words and actions.

Well thanks Jamie i appreciate your point of view - i do think the doctors and politicans are trying to help Trump and Faucci aside -must be the generation gap or something always jnterested in your point of view
 
Well i was just trying to point out that discrediting a man for stating accepted medical facts serves no purpose - its a 2 way street - Trump has a terrible load on his plate to deal with as does the medical people - don't know about your "done everything" statement - we will never know
Fauci has stated time and time again that Trump has listened to and taken the advice he and Birx have given. The media was trying to drive a wedge between them from the start. A week after this thing started they were circulating rumors that Trump was about to fire him due to his suggestion to shut the country down. They were wrong. Fauci held a conference for the sole reason to state that Trump had been completely on board and there was NO division in the effort. I literally watched every minute of their daily news conferences for the first two weeks. They wasted way too much time deflecting questions about what an ass Trump is - because that is what the media wanted Fauci and Birx to say - and they would not! The man shit down travel from China three weeks before anyone (including Fauci) thought this thing would impact the US on a large scale... he was called xynophobic by all. He didn’t care, he was trying to stop the spread on US soil. The man has done a phenomenal job with every politician (which most Americans know are entirely untrustworthy) fighting against him. What could he accomplish if our politicians worked with him with an ounce of the America first attitude you’ve pointed out in the ration thread? We all like to complain about the corrupt SOBs, and yet we have a man doing work FOR the betterment of all US citizens and some seem to want to believe the nonsense put out by corrupt politicians and lying media. Watch Trump LIVE and then see how his statements are twisted... it’s bullshit.
Trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine and they all started in saying he had no business giving medical advice... he’s not a doctor. Yeah, but he is smart enough to listen to what he’s been told has been working- not worrying about what will be the most profitable treatment. Along comes Remsdesivir and Fauci claims it to have great promise—— never mentioned that it truly was “untested”, even though it is a brand new drug with NO history! Look at the cost difference. 50 cents for hydroxychloroquine tablet. 3k plus to treat with new dope for 5 days. According to my cousin, I’ve mentioned she knows stuff, it works exactly the same as hydroxychloroquine!
Take the best advice you can find and take it with skepticism. Geezer, you seem to think we should take the advice from the pros and I agree to a point, but I also realize these political operatives/doctors are also probably looking out for their own interest- money, notoriety, fame, whatever. No way at this point in time should anyone listen blindly to anyone from the CDC, HHS, etc. These are the same people that said DO NOT WEAR a mask in order to protect the medical supply. What they should have said was stay hunkered down because right now we have done such a poor job exporting our supply line to China that we don’t have enough to go around, you know, try a little honesty in a desperate time. And that is a good point too, these are the same political bastards that made China a “most favored trade nation” under Bill Clinton, costing millions of American job and creating a dependency on an enemy!
Blindly trust em? I think not.
 
Well thanks Jamie i appreciate your point of view - i do think the doctors and politicans are trying to help Trump and Faucci aside -must be the generation gap or something always jnterested in your point of view

likewise. different life experiences, different stations in life. we all view the world through our own unique prism. With respect to this virus, we all want the same thing, but might have differing opinions on how we get there. this is not much different than anything else we discuss here.

the big problem I have with this virus and all of it is how politics and the media have muddied the waters so badly that nobody should blindly trust what they read or hear on the fake news or social media or whatever.
 
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Any person with a D or an R after their name/title. Any scientific/dr that’s a political appointee, has my curiosity whenever they’re speaking. I’m curious if scientific facts back up their statements, or is it political posturing on their part too further their cause. Whatever that could be.
I’m so sick of the BS coming from both sides and have pretty much shut off any channel that starts with any of their stupid know nothing briefings.
Now if I could just get my wife too do the same..... 😂😂😂 Is it time for a beer?🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
 
Any person with a D or an R after their name/title. Any scientific/dr that’s a political appointee, has my curiosity whenever they’re speaking. I’m curious if scientific facts back up their statements, or is it political posturing on their part too further their cause. Whatever that could be.
I’m so sick of the BS coming from both sides and have pretty much shut off any channel that starts with any of their stupid know nothing briefings.
Now if I could just get my wife too do the same..... 😂😂😂 Is it time for a beer?🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

We need to know what we don't know - hope the beer is chilled to your liking
 
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