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Heroin: it's gettin waaaaay outta hand!!!
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Whats with labeling them as victimized? You don't think I've ever had any shit stolen from me? My own cousin pawned off all my grandpa's guns that were left to him for heroin, won't ever get those back.
Pain pills like percocet, oxycodone, and such are mostly to blame for this bullshit. Never dabbled in pills but I heard they make you feel good.
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Percocet is the problem? No shit? I disagree, totally! How dare I, what do I know about pain killers, right? I've taken percs off and on for 15 years. I've got some fairly serious, debilitating bone issues along with a touch of annoying gout. I've had months where I could not take a single step unaided. I understand a little about pain and pain killers. To me, there are few things better than Percocet Seeing my kids faces on Christmas morning is one of them. Can't think of another right now. I love Percocet. I know I love Percocet. I know they are addictive I don't take the dang things if I'm not in extreme pain! A script of 30 will last me a year... I'm an adult. I don't need people making excuses for me. I know I'm likely to abuse them, doctors even warn patients about their addictive nature. It's sort of like playing with fire. You can use it to keep your house warm in the winter or you can burn it to the ground. A certain percentage of our population are idiots. Most of us try not to be. I don't feel pity for those who don't put forth the effort.
So you pretty much just agreed with what I said after you disagreed with it. There's some people that run out of these "miracle pills" and can't get another script, you already said they are addicting. So where do they turn, they go out and buy some dirty ass heroin. Maybe there should be some sort of counseling when a person is coming off of these pills so it doesn't lead to something worse.
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Here's a great story that sorta involves a sad addict tale.
My best friend in this world, Lathe, and I attended the same church all through our childhood. When we were about 15 or so, there was a young man half our age that had several mental and social issues due to his mother being a drunk and addict while he was in the womb. His grandmother was raising him and faithfully brought the boy to church. He would say and do the most inappropriate things in every service. Everyone overlooked his misdeeds, he couldn't help it after all.
One day, Lathe and I were leaving the church, walking down the long set of stairs in front of the building. The boy run up behind Lathe, drew up a world class luggie and launched it onto Lathes back. In a most unChristianlike manor, Lathe pivoted without hesitation , grabbed the youngster by his ears and returned fire directly into the boys face! It was amazing. The grandma was screaming, "He doesn't know what he's doing", and Lathe replied calmly, "Maybe so, but I bet that SOB doesn't spit on me again". Some lessons are hard to learn, that kid learned. Even to this day, 30 years later, if I mention the incident to Lathe, he will unapologeticly reply, "that sob never spit on me again".
I believe a certain percentage of people just have to die for this nonsense to stop. Hard lessons to learn are well learned. Life is tough, it's tougher if you are dumb.
My best friend in this world, Lathe, and I attended the same church all through our childhood. When we were about 15 or so, there was a young man half our age that had several mental and social issues due to his mother being a drunk and addict while he was in the womb. His grandmother was raising him and faithfully brought the boy to church. He would say and do the most inappropriate things in every service. Everyone overlooked his misdeeds, he couldn't help it after all.
One day, Lathe and I were leaving the church, walking down the long set of stairs in front of the building. The boy run up behind Lathe, drew up a world class luggie and launched it onto Lathes back. In a most unChristianlike manor, Lathe pivoted without hesitation , grabbed the youngster by his ears and returned fire directly into the boys face! It was amazing. The grandma was screaming, "He doesn't know what he's doing", and Lathe replied calmly, "Maybe so, but I bet that SOB doesn't spit on me again". Some lessons are hard to learn, that kid learned. Even to this day, 30 years later, if I mention the incident to Lathe, he will unapologeticly reply, "that sob never spit on me again".
I believe a certain percentage of people just have to die for this nonsense to stop. Hard lessons to learn are well learned. Life is tough, it's tougher if you are dumb.
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No, I did not agree at all. Doctors tell you right from the start, these are bad, don't abuse them. I listened. Do not over use. Simple.
Well not everyone is capable of doing that, you and I both know it. They are addicting, what sort of precautions are set up after a patient gets off the pain pills, if any so the addiction doesn't carry on to worse things? I mean there's documented cases, alot of them, where people couldn't find any pills because their prescription ran out so they turned to heroin. For some people the addiction is too strong for them to just stop when it runs out, which is why there needs to be some way to maybe ween people off them, idk.
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I started drinking the hard stuff around 15. Not occasionally mind you but every weekend and some through the week. At 22 I was a flat out alcoholic and a bottle of JD was just to get the evening started. I was an insomniac getting about 4 hours of sleep over a 3-4 day span and weighed 132 pounds at 5'11. According to me I didn't have a problem with alcohol, we got along just fine. Military mandated treatment disagreed. My BAC from the blood draw was .34 after 4 hours of not drinking. Luckily at the time I didn't have a lot of responsibilities or family around to destroy. 6 months outpatient treatment and a daily supervised Antabuse pill is what got me off the booze. I didn't stop because I wanted to I stopped because they made me. I don't struggle with alcoholism anymore and only drink once or twice a year. I know when I should stay away from it and when I have the willpower to not let a night of drinking with friends continue past just that. There hasn't been a beer in my fridge in over a decade and the bottles of bourbon have more dust on them than liquor missing. I dabbled in a hobby still and could make some pretty good white liquor. Hung that up because as much as I enjoyed making it the taste testing was playing with fire.
I say all of that to say this. I understand addiction. I also understand it helps nobody to make excuses for them, pitty them, or pacify them, such things only serve to enable them. Addicts love it when people handle them with kid gloves and treat them like it's not their fault. On the outside they'll play that part to you, on the inside they think you're the stupidest most gullible fuck they've ever met. There's only three ways to get an addict off whatever they're on, rock bottom, the grave, or forced rehab.
I say all of that to say this. I understand addiction. I also understand it helps nobody to make excuses for them, pitty them, or pacify them, such things only serve to enable them. Addicts love it when people handle them with kid gloves and treat them like it's not their fault. On the outside they'll play that part to you, on the inside they think you're the stupidest most gullible fuck they've ever met. There's only three ways to get an addict off whatever they're on, rock bottom, the grave, or forced rehab.
When you have been in forced rehab, been to prison, lost your kids, been left for dead (more than once) by drug dealers on the street, and still looking for your next high? What the heck IS rock bottom? These are the ones I find it difficult to have any pity for. Some people have 9 1/2 lives. I agree with Brock in this portion: Some people just need to learn the hard way. They have been given every mamby pamby option out there and it hasn't helped.
This is for Chad, not you Joe.
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That's for me, but you just quoted joes post. What are you getting at Philbert?
This is emotional subject matter. I'm not trying to step on any toes. Everyone has different experiences.
I'm simply stating: I agree with Joe and Brock on some of this. You beat addiction and should be damn proud. My point was: some people fail to find rock bottom no matter how much prayer, love, and help they get. Part of that person has to truly want to change. When some people are too far gone, there is no way home. Divine intervention may be the only way out. If someone doesn't want to be helped (no matter how many people are trying to help them) it is difficult for me to have compassion.
Rock bottom is different for everyone. And I haven't beat it, I fight the motherfucker every day.
Everyone thinks it's easy, oh you've been sober for 5 years you got it kicked! Bullshit, I let my guard down and I'll be right back to where I was 6 years ago. This isn't something that just goes away. I would imagine heroin is no different.
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I think of you all as a brother. With that, if you are not an addict...you REALLY don't understand. I know it's frustrating to Chad because he knows what's up. I also will say this: I am actually glad many of you do not understand addiction...it's more painful than you even know!
Please continue to stay strong and never fall back into that miserable evil hole of alcohol addiction Chad! We're all very proud of you and others here and everywhere that's tried their hardest to remain sober and stayed that way for an extended amount of years! This goes to those who've kicked the pain killer,hard drugs,nicotine and recreational drugs as well. Like they say, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. I'm in the exact same boat with tobacco and could easily fall back into dipping if I just had one pinch of Grizzley straight longcut but I choose not to go down that road again. It's very tough when I'm around those that do it but I stick to my guns just like Chad has done with his situation. It takes dedication!
What perplexes me though and the main reason I started this thread is, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TRYING HEROIN,CRYSTAL METH AND OTHER NASTY DIRTY SHIT DRUGS FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER ALL THIS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ITS CAUSED ITS USERS AND THEIR FAMILIES????
Is it because so many are bored cause they don't work? Like Brock says, the steal to help support their drug habit!
What happened to COMMON SENSE??? With all that's happened with these drugs like heroin and meth, why are people who haven't used them trying them?
Chad seems to be thinking that painkiller abusers are the majority of people trying them, is that the case?
What perplexes me though and the main reason I started this thread is, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TRYING HEROIN,CRYSTAL METH AND OTHER NASTY DIRTY SHIT DRUGS FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER ALL THIS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ITS CAUSED ITS USERS AND THEIR FAMILIES????
Is it because so many are bored cause they don't work? Like Brock says, the steal to help support their drug habit!
What happened to COMMON SENSE??? With all that's happened with these drugs like heroin and meth, why are people who haven't used them trying them?
Chad seems to be thinking that painkiller abusers are the majority of people trying them, is that the case?