Land lease

[giles]

I think we are a bit off track on the original post.

This appears to be a sub lease so this guy can recoup his money.

 

[Jackalope]

Someone like myself with 3 kids would quit before playing thousands for a chance at a deer. And if I did pay to hunt, I'll be damned if I'm going to let deer walk by.

It's not about "A" deer. It's about the quality of the experience and hunting it like you're the landowner. There is a lot to be said about that. THink about a place like Mingo and if it was right down the road. Camping, fishing, hunting, trap, a pool, a bar, camping spots. All right there. No renting a spot at the campground. People buy land all the time and pay 2k per month instead of per year. For simple simple no frills land access there are plenty of clubs much cheaper than that to hunt.

 

[giles]

It's not about "A" deer. It's about the quality of the experience and hunting it like you're the landowner. There is a lot to be said about that. THink about a place like Mingo and if it was right down the road. Camping, fishing, hunting, trap, a pool, a bar, camping spots. All right there. No renting a spot at the campground. People buy land all the time and pay 2k per month instead of per year. For simple simple no frills land access there are plenty of clubs much cheaper than that to hunt.

I'm bowing out as this is coming across wrong. Or appears to by the replies. You do you and keep it legal. Difference here is between Miller Lite and Busch Light.

 

[Jackalope]

I'm bowing out as this is coming across wrong. Or appears to by the replies. You do you and keep it legal. Difference here is between Miller Lite and Busch Light.

You know I'm just messing with you and playing devils advocate right... I would love to go back to my childhood days when I could walk for miles and hunt because the landowners welcomed it. Unfortunately they're all dead and its all leased now. But hey, such is life, they're still awesome places to hunt. I'm only waiting on an opening.

 

[at1010]

I think we are a bit off track on the original post.

This appears to be a sub lease so this guy can recoup his money.

I think you brought up fine points. I was just adding context to how I feel about leasing. What this guy is doing is legal, and although the pricing seems high if people are willing to pay -that is just capitalism. Very similar to many other brokerages out there be it real-estate, insurance, etc.

 

[giles]

Now if someone wants to start a thread about this leasing subject...I'm all for throwing down. Just not on a guy that doesn't post often. Not this thread.

 

[Fletch]

I sent out about 35 letters last week... Got 2 responses yesterday... About 8 different counties... Got 2 calls yesterday... One in Licking and one in Perry... Guess I gotta take a road trip soon...

 

[Bigcountry40]

But in 15 other threads we try and find ways to recruit new hunters.

It goes back to the "We need more/new hunters to support the cause" just don't want them around my property or my lease. lol

 

[Jackalope]

This appears to be a sub lease so this guy can recoup his money.

Likely not recoup money but rather, make profit. The landowner is willing to lease it for $20 an acre, land manager subleases through contract for $30 an acre and provides no cost value to the landowner by taking care of all the management, insurance, hunter issues etc. The only thing that stopped me from doing it was Ohio requires a real estate brokers license to sublease as a property management company. Jessica's Aunt is a broker but shes tied to a national company so they would want their cut also. The only real cost effective way is to do it illegally or become a broker.

 

[Bigcountry40]

There's more land than there are elites. I mentioned earlier that everything here worth hunting that isn't hunted by the landowner is leased. There are three clubs within walking distance of my parent's house. They range in size from a couple hundred to a couple thousand acres. They also range in price from a couple hundred to a couple thousand a year. There are clubs in the state that cost more per year than most of our annual salaries also. If someone wants to hunt it's out there and a club that fits their needs is available. Some of them are like Mingo with extra facilities like a trap range, pool etc. Some have actual camps where guys set up little cabins or campers and leave them, and some are just straight land access. There is even high dollar country club like ones that employ a chef and meals are served, and they have spa days for the wife, or bouncy house days for the kids while dad is out hunting. Those are nothing more than vacation home communities where dad has land to hunt. I've done both paid and unpaid land access for hunting. By far paid is a way better experience. Unless you can find that one farmer who lets you hunt and you pretty much have the place to yourself. The biggest headaches I've ever had was on free access property. Be it with trespassers, other people with permission, even landowners themselves. I once had the sherrif knock on my door because they ran my plate number while I was parked in a farm road that I had permission on. The landowners' son who never hunts just decided to show up that weekend to hunt. He was shitty that someone else was hunting and raised a bitch with his dad, his dad being older and non-confrontational kind of went with it. The son is who called the Sherrif. I had a slip so I wasn't worried but the Sherrif said he was turning it over to the game warden. I never got a call from the warden probably because he figured out it was a family matter and the son was a prick. But at the end of the day I never hunted there again, I don't have time to deal with high school bullshit. Most clubs have a board and established rules. Not saying that doesn't get abused sometimes as many clubs have gone to shit based on who got on the board. But by in far it's a much better experience.

Having lived in the South I have understanding of clubs, I was in two different clubs. I loved the clubs and thought it was a great way to have private accessible land with game, they were expensive enough to keep out the trash. I think this would be great in Ohio but do not see clubs ever working in Ohio due to outfitters, non resident accessibility, social media, Amish, etc . . I think giving 500 to 1k is a fair trade that most people can afford for him and his family member to pay to have access to DECENT property (this is the southern club model). But it starts to get ridiculous when a guy has to pay 5k a year to kill a deer on private property because he doesnt want his shit stolen every time he leaves a stand on the public property. But remember its about the kids as long as the kids are not infringing on my ability to kill a Booner. And If a poor boy gets permission to hunt 5 acres next to you, make sure you offer the land owner money to keep that poor boy and his two sons from having the opportunity to kill any deer and enjoy the outdoors, "they can fight it out on the public land". Hunting in TExas is a perfect example of what is wrong with the lease model of hunting. If you are not upper class, opportunities are limited. Paying $200 a day to kill a limit of doves is ridiculous.

 

[TripleA88]

I sent out about 35 letters last week... Got 2 responses yesterday... About 8 different counties... Got 2 calls yesterday... One in Licking and one in Perry... Guess I gotta take a road trip soon...

Thought about doing the same on a few places in Kentucky and requesting permission for turkey hunting, at most a weeks worth in an entire year. Got any tips on what to include in a letter?

 

[Fletch]

Thought about doing the same on a few places in Kentucky and requesting permission for turkey hunting, at most a weeks worth in an entire year. Got any tips on what to include in a letter?

Tips on how to write a letter??? Don't know that I'm all that great but the main thing I try to be is cordial... Let them know a little bit about yourself... Tell them that you can provide references if desired... Couple years ago I sent about 70 letters out that I printed out on a printer... Did not get one response... This time the wife said make them more personal and hand write them... I'm lucky that my printing is very good, so I did 35 by hand... Had 2 responses so far... Hope that helps...

 

[Jackalope]

Tips on how to write a letter??? Don't know that I'm all that great but the main thing I try to be is cordial... Let them know a little bit about yourself... Tell them that you can provide references if desired... Couple years ago I sent about 70 letters out that I printed out on a printer... Did not get one response... This time the wife said make them more personal and hand write them... I'm lucky that my printing is very good, so I did 35 by hand... Had 2 responses so far... Hope that helps...

You probably don't want to hear this now. But write 1 in blue ink on copy paper then scan and photo print it. Most inkjets today will print it practically indistinguishable from a regular pen. Or have office max do it and you won't be able to tell the difference.

 

[Fletch]

You probably don't want to hear this now. But write 1 in blue ink on copy paper then scan and photo print it. Most inkjets today will print it practically indistinguishable from a regular pen. Or have office max do it and you won't be able to tell the difference.

I thought of doing that... However printer has been acting up and I didn't feel like running out to a store 45 min. away to make copies... Hey I'm retired and there's still close to a foot of snow in the woods, so it kept me busy for about 2 hours...

 

[Jackalope]

I thought of doing that... However printer has been acting up and I didn't feel like running out to a store 45 min. away to make copies... Hey I'm retired and there's still close to a foot of snow in the woods, so it kept me busy for about 2 hours...

Makes sense. I don't think I've hand written that many words in the last decade. . My penmanship is garbage also.

 

[Fletch]

Makes sense. I don't think I've hand written that many words in the last decade. . My penmanship is garbage also.

Besides I originally started out with about 14 and got on a roll doing more...

 

[Buckkillr]

I couldn't ever find myself leasing, just too much state/federal land here in southern ohio especially. I always here all these public land disasters but for my first 20 years of hunting it was strictly public and other than rut and gun I had thousands of acres basically to myself but I live not far away so it's fairly easy access and I never hunted in those spots that everyone else parks at