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giles

Cull buck specialist
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If you don't feel like clicking the link. It is a video of a guy talking about how conservation isn't about the conservation of wildlife. Licenses are about the money and have nothing to do with the conservation of the resource. That was my take anyways. He said more than my brain could handle, lol. Lots to pick apart and I think it'll be a good discussion. I don't know what side of the conversation I fall on yet. I'm gonna listen to it again. Plus I gotta check out that perm 😂
 

Jamie

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That guy is an idiot. If you are so destitute that you cannot afford a deer tag, then you have a much bigger problem than not being able to hunt a deer. Maybe get a job or two. "Every American gets one deer tag..." sounds like Socialism/Marxism coming from the mouth of a disgruntled proletariat that is envious of the bourgeoises.

We live in a world where we have to manage wildlife populations because of what humans have done to the planet for the last 5000 years, and that comes with a hefty price tag. Sure, licenses and tags are a form of taxation, but I shudder to think what happens without them and the money they generate.
 

Jamie

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LOL, Well, I suppose that most people would not want a deer tag to begin with, which is why I should be allowed to buy as many as I want if I have the money to do so. ;)
 
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Blackcat86

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My take after one viewing of the video is that its creator made three claims:
1. Wildlife (proffered - deer) belongs to the government (proffered - the king);
2. The government controls (proffered – licenses/tags) the consumption of wildlife by the governed; and,
3. Rich people have more discretionary funds than poor people.

The video’s creator exclaimed that only rich people can participate in the consumption of wildlife because they have the discretionary funds to purchase from the government a required tag/license to do so.

As to claim 1, above: I declare that all flora and fauna on/in/over public property belongs to the public. Some of the flora/fauna should be controlled if the public wants it conserved. Furthermore, some flora and fauna are, and should be, controlled even when on/in/over private property. Lastly, I declare that the public has done and still does a terrible job of controlling flora and fauna almost everywhere.

As to claim 2, above: A long time ago the public rightfully decided to get other, some say smarter, people to control the flora and the fauna on/in/over public property. The public called these people, among other things, the government and provided these government people with the authority and the tools (more people, property, time, and money) to control the flora and fauna on/in/over public, and subsequently, private property. The results aren’t pretty, but they’re a whole lot better than anything else previously tried.

As to claim 3, above: I agree; they do.
 

giles

Cull buck specialist
Supporting Member
My take after one viewing of the video is that its creator made three claims:
1. Wildlife (proffered - deer) belongs to the government (proffered - the king);
2. The government controls (proffered – licenses/tags) the consumption of wildlife by the governed; and,
3. Rich people have more discretionary funds than poor people.

The video’s creator exclaimed that only rich people can participate in the consumption of wildlife because they have the discretionary funds to purchase from the government a required tag/license to do so.

As to claim 1, above: I declare that all flora and fauna on/in/over public property belongs to the public. Some of the flora/fauna should be controlled if the public wants it conserved. Furthermore, some flora and fauna are, and should be, controlled even when on/in/over private property. Lastly, I declare that the public has done and still does a terrible job of controlling flora and fauna almost everywhere.

As to claim 2, above: A long time ago the public rightfully decided to get other, some say smarter, people to control the flora and the fauna on/in/over public property. The public called these people, among other things, the government and provided these government people with the authority and the tools (more people, property, time, and money) to control the flora and fauna on/in/over public, and subsequently, private property. The results aren’t pretty, but they’re a whole lot better than anything else previously tried.

As to claim 3, above: I agree; they do.
So if I own (just for a number) 1,000+ continous acres, are those deer now mine? Or are they still the governments?
 

Blackcat86

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So if I own (just for a number) 1,000+ continous acres, are those deer now mine? Or are they still the governments?

My humble opinion is that those public deer on your thousand-plus acres of private land (You've done well for yourself!) belong to the public and are controlled by publically elected/appointed/hired government employees. You get to feed those deer, water them, and suffer the damage they may bestow upon you. (That applies to government employees, too. Ha!) Furthermore, you get to pay the wages of all those government controllers, along with potentially higher premiums for personal and property liability, and automotive insurance. In exchange, you and your immediate family get to hunt without a license or permit on your private land, and decide who else gets to hunt there at your discretion, and with the appropriate licenses and permits.

To be clear: the word "control" that I'm citing is just one factor when used in context with the word "manage." The others are planning, organizing, staffing, and leading, all of which are also on your dime.
 
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bowhunter1023

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That guy is an idiot. If you are so destitute that you cannot afford a deer tag, then you have a much bigger problem than not being able to hunt a deer. Maybe get a job or two. "Every American gets one deer tag..." sounds like Socialism/Marxism coming from the mouth of a disgruntled proletariat that is envious of the bourgeoises.

We live in a world where we have to manage wildlife populations because of what humans have done to the planet for the last 5000 years, and that comes with a hefty price tag. Sure, licenses and tags are a form of taxation, but I shudder to think what happens without them and the money they generate.
Jamie wins the internet for the day. Brilliant 👏