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North Carolina Rescue issues

Clay Showalter

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brock ratcliff

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Sounds like that guy is a hall monitor that is concerned more about running the show his way vs worrying about getting as many as possible out of harms way.
 

hickslawns

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On a fire scene the officer in charge calls the shots. This situation is a lot different. There is no active fire. The scene is many square miles. Not sure how that works. Maybe some of our resident fire fighters can chime in. Everything was chaos. If I am the chief, I'm using all available resources. That helicopter would have been a blessing.
 

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triple_duece

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On a fire scene the officer in charge calls the shots. This situation is a lot different. There is no active fire. The scene is many square miles. Not sure how that works. Maybe some of our resident fire fighters can chime in. Everything was chaos. If I am the chief, I'm using all available resources. That helicopter would have been a blessing.
It’s much more complicated than that. I’m sure the chief in charge or unified command has authority to anyone that answers to him or other agencies in the operation. To be quick and to the point, once he became part of the rescue mission through his guys the UC has authority. Therefore the UC has the responsibility of the helo and personnel. Yes early in the event, there is self rescue, people helping people and whatnot. Just like we had the Cajun navy. CN although in good intentions can and will become a problem w the overall mission. We ran the CN out of our parish. Not that we didn’t need help but once they come in and start it can and will be a liability. First responders are trained and have coms w the overall mission to reduce deaths, injuries and casualties. Along with the responders being vetted and covered under the “umbrella”. You don’t know what these people are doing, could be anything from saving lives to looting. It can be that extreme or putting victims in harms way. Like I said, it’s complicated.
 
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hickslawns

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Understood. Massive difference between a structure fire and a natural disaster. Liability is a big word too. That word comes up and lawyers ears perk up. Lol
 
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giles

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We arrived this evening. From what I've seen so far, shit is fucked. No fuel, no beds or anything. We are sleeping in our trucks tonight. Hopefully some organization comes tomorrow and we get logistics figured out and a work plan. Right now it is a class A clusterfuck. Seems to be plenty of help around but we can't do anything without some rest and fuel.
 

triple_duece

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We arrived this evening. From what I've seen so far, shit is fucked. No fuel, no beds or anything. We are sleeping in our trucks tonight. Hopefully some organization comes tomorrow and we get logistics figured out and a work plan. Right now it is a class A clusterfuck. Seems to be plenty of help around but we can't do anything without some rest and fuel.
Ground zero is always like that sometimes after a week. What did you expect first class accommodations? When being deployed you should be prepared to be self sufficient for a week and not be a burden to the area using resources. It’s a total different situation than one would think. Be thankful if there is any kind of accommodations more than what you brought.
 
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giles

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Ground zero is always like that sometimes after a week. What did you expect first class accommodations? When being deployed you should be prepared to be self sufficient for a week and not be a burden to the area using resources. It’s a total different situation than one would think. Be thankful if there is any kind of accommodations more than what you brought.
It just isn't what we were told is all. Little cranky after running on very little sleep. I ended up using up all the food i did have because no one else prepared. I'll be alright, just bitching a little. Aint about me tho.
 

triple_duece

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After rereading my post, wasn’t trying to sound like an ass. If you’ve never been deployed, you have no idea what to expect. I’ve been on many and peoples urgency to be rescued can be overwhelming.

Once I became in charge of operations I’d get feedback from guys I’ve sent on deployment bitching about the conditions. I basically told them it’s not a field day or a vacation, it surely isn’t for the people living there w nothing left. Maybe you shouldn’t go on deployments, we are there to help in any way without thinking of ourselves. After, most understood the mission, some was not allowed back.
 

giles

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After rereading my post, wasn’t trying to sound like an ass. If you’ve never been deployed, you have no idea what to expect. I’ve been on many and peoples urgency to be rescued can be overwhelming.

Once I became in charge of operations I’d get feedback from guys I’ve sent on deployment bitching about the conditions. I basically told them it’s not a field day or a vacation, it surely isn’t for the people living there w nothing left. Maybe you shouldn’t go on deployments, we are there to help in any way without thinking of ourselves. After, most understood the mission, some was not allowed back.
Problem was that to many of us showed up at the same time. I got to shower and get some food in me, I'm recharged now. Figure out the sleeping later this evening. We've got shit to get done while other people worry about that part.
 

triple_duece

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It will slowly come together Dave. It’s hurry up and wait in the beginning. Be careful out there, watch your back and coworkers and your equipment. People in desperation times do desperate things. This won’t get fixed overnight, probably will take longer with our president to get any real help. You will see people helping people over themselves no matter of gender nor race. You will see real Americans on this deployment.
 

Clay Showalter

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This organization organizes rescues, supplies to those in need, etc. I was listening to their live on the way home last night, he talked about Biden coming in today and it was going to cause a 4 hour TFR, so in his words Biden could take a joy ride. He said and I quote. "Fuck your TFR." He said the FFA was going to be at their meeting this morning, he said it is up to each pilot if they want violate the TFR to keep on helping recover people who are in desperate need. he said they can come here and try to arrest everyone, could make for a very interesting day.

 
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