Odnr survey
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What's hilarious about is there are two things mentioned that we screamed about tremendously back in 2008 when they started trying to decimate the deer population.
1. The large zones they used to have, and even the counties they created within those zones, are not an effective way to manage populations. It needs to be done by habitat and density to prevent overkill in areas.
2. Bag limits only control how many deer a single person can kill, not how many hunters can kill deer which is what really lowers a population. This is exactly what we're were screaming 12 years ago! It's not the number of permits allowed that matters but rather opportunity through the number of people hunting. But if some remember our conversation with Tonk back then he admitted that hunters are just a big group of toolbags that don't understand that.
And now because of their shitshow reduction effort the populations on public land has been decimated so low they're having to pass crazy regulations like no does after gun season, and even talking about special lottery pay to play permit hunts to limit opportunity on public land.
Sheesh.
1. The large zones they used to have, and even the counties they created within those zones, are not an effective way to manage populations. It needs to be done by habitat and density to prevent overkill in areas.
2. Bag limits only control how many deer a single person can kill, not how many hunters can kill deer which is what really lowers a population. This is exactly what we're were screaming 12 years ago! It's not the number of permits allowed that matters but rather opportunity through the number of people hunting. But if some remember our conversation with Tonk back then he admitted that hunters are just a big group of toolbags that don't understand that.
And now because of their shitshow reduction effort the populations on public land has been decimated so low they're having to pass crazy regulations like no does after gun season, and even talking about special lottery pay to play permit hunts to limit opportunity on public land.
Sheesh.
Do because you talked about it years ago, it makes all this laughable?
1. The larger areas will be outlined by habitat.
2. They will reduce opportunity by using a lottery system.
So basically, it is exactly what you asked for. And you are still complaining.
1. The larger areas will be outlined by habitat.
2. They will reduce opportunity by using a lottery system.
So basically, it is exactly what you asked for. And you are still complaining.
I don't know what to think of it. Hopefully theres a happy medium for everyone. Whatever we had 15-20 years ago was great. I hunted alot of public then and seen deer often
We had a deer herd and way less bow hunters pounding the woods for four months.
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Not asked for. We didn't want them to do any of it and to leave the herd as it was Yet they insisted on a reduction. First under the guise of increased opportunity, it wasn't until two years later when people started to notice a sharp decline in the population numbers in certain areas that the voice of "stop killing so many deer" started to surface. After that the dnr admitted they were trying to reduce the numbers a little. Never saying how, how much, where, or anything else. For years they went off all half cocked which resulted in large areas being reduced far below acceptable numbers. They engaged in a pattern of lies blaming weather, crop rotations, and even the hunters lack of ability to adapt, to help cover up the actual reduction and keep hunters killing. It's laughable now because back then we were just a bunch of crazy assholes screaming about how screwed up their plan or lack there of was. The zoning and lottery pieces were in regard to how their plan was flawed by simply adding bonus gun seasons, bumping antlerless tag numbers, making antlerless tags cheap, and looking at the number of dead deer to guess the number of live ones without an actual population survey. There were no scientific controls around the effort just hack job management. The idea of implementing habitat zoning and a lottery for extra tags was suggested to place logical controls around the reduction effort and reduce the likelihood of overkill. Some areas are still suffering.
I used to hunt a lease in Vinton County where i could see 10-15 deer in a morning sit. I dropped out about 7 years ago due to the allowed decimation. Mike @NoDakRat still hunts there. His money stand where you could see a dozen deer ever hunt you can go sit today and might see 1 deer in 4 days of hunting.
Not complaining about them doing it today, especially the habitat zoning, but it amounts to putting your seatbelt on after the crash. I guess all those "hunters online with their torches and pitchforks calling for my head" as Tonk called us, were not so wrong after all.
Hence, laughable.
Thanks for explaining, I know it’s a dead horse around here for the veterans. But lots of new members that don’t know the bone you guys have endured over the years.
OO2
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No thank you to the ODNR erected tree stands/ blinds and the atv/ utility vehicle paths on public land.
Only reason for that would be handicapped hunters that still would like to enjoy the outdoors.
Only reason for that would be handicapped hunters that still would like to enjoy the outdoors.
Yep that was my thought too, would be convenient but would get abused in a heart beat, especially the atv use
Not to mention, atv traffic and set blinds/stands would only make the hunting WORSE on public land. Whoever put that idea together is a dipshit.
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I can see it now, guys in fist fights over a highly used and abused blind
Thats why they mentioned selling permit to use them like some kind of public land outfitters of something. If they dont get stolen or burned down then i guarantee somebody sits n it when the permit holder isn't there. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
As if the game warden needs another thing to patrol, good luck!Thats why they mentioned selling permit to use them like some kind of public land outfitters of something. If they dont get stolen or burned down then i guarantee somebody sits n it when the permit holder isn't there. It's a disaster waiting to happen.