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COLUMBUS, Ohio – Proposed small game and migratory bird hunting seasons that begin in the fall of 2020 were presented to the Ohio Wildlife Council on Wednesday, Jan. 15, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR) Division of Wildlife. Included among the proposals are several changes recommended to increase hunting opportunities for those who enjoy spending time in Ohio’s great outdoors.
"The proposed hunting season recommendations are developed by Division of Wildlife biologists and combine public input with the best species population science available,” said Division of Wildlife Chief Kendra Wecker. “Population safeguards are designed to support the important activities of hunting and trapping while sustaining Ohio’s wildlife. We are proud to continue serving all Ohioans and look forward to another bountiful year for sportsmen and women.”
A change from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service provides additional waterfowl hunting days to members of the U.S. armed forces. In response, it was proposed on Wednesday to permit active military and veterans to hunt during the two-day youth waterfowl season, Oct. 3-4, 2020. The opening date for waterfowl hunting in the north zone was proposed to start one week later, Oct. 24, 2020, allowing for more November hunting days later in the season. It was also proposed to reduce the daily bag limit for scaup to one bird during the first 15 days of the season, and two birds during the last 45 days of the season in the south zone, north zone, and Lake Erie marsh zone, as required in the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service season framework.


New proposals include opening the 2021 spring turkey season on Saturday rather than Monday in both the south zone and northeast zone. This proposal is designed to provide two additional weekend days for wild turkey hunters. The south zone opening date was proposed for April 24, 2021, and the northeast zone opening date was proposed for May 1, 2021. The 2021 youth turkey hunting season dates were proposed for April 17-18, statewide.

New proposals also include requiring a fur taker permit for coyote hunting and trapping, and adding coyote to the furbearer trapping season. This proposal was made to better align with other furbearer hunting and trapping regulations, and will ensure proper training will be completed prior to trapping coyote by requiring the fulfillment of a trapper education course. Ohio resident landowners are not required to have a hunting license or fur taker permit when hunting or trapping on land they own.
It was further proposed to close quail hunting on all state-owned or controlled public hunting areas, except for Tri-Valley Wildlife Area and controlled hunts on Crown City Wildlife Area. The quail bag limit was proposed to be reduced to two birds. Ruffed grouse hunting dates were proposed to be shortened from Oct. 10 to Nov. 29, 2020 on state-owned or controlled public hunting areas, and from Oct. 10, 2020, to Jan. 1, 2021, on private land. The ruffed grouse bag limit was proposed to be reduced to one bird. Quail and ruffed grouse regulations were proposed to better conserve the current population of birds that have been in decline for several years.
A complete list of proposed hunting season dates for 2020-2021 are available at wildohio.gov. Proposals concerning Ohio’s white-tailed deer hunting seasons will be presented at the next Ohio Wildlife Council meeting, scheduled for Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2020.
Ohioans are encouraged to provide comments on the proposed rule changes and may do so in person or online. In-person comments can be submitted during the weeklong open house period from March 2-6, 2020, at any Division of Wildlife district office. Online submissions can be made at wildohio.govbeginning Feb. 21, 2020.


The Ohio Wildlife Council is an eight-member board that approves all Ohio Division of Wildlife proposed rules and regulations. Council meetings are open to the public. Individuals interested in providing comments are asked to call 614-265-6304 at least two days prior to the meeting to register. All comments are required to be three minutes or less.
A statewide hearing on all proposed rules will be held at the Division of Wildlife’s District One office on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9 a.m. The office is located at 1500 Dublin Road, Columbus 43215.
The mission of the Division of Wildlife is to conserve and improve fish and wildlife resources and their habitats for sustainable use and appreciation by all. Visit wildohio.gov to find out more.
ODNR ensures a balance between wise use and protection of our natural resources for the benefit of all. Visit the ODNR website at ohiodnr.gov.
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Unable to reach their targeted low deer numbers they move to protect coyotes by further limiting opportunity. Instead of them being an open season kill on sight with any weapon target of opportunity, let's make them a furbearer and reduce opportunity killings so that they can continue to grow uncheck and decimate the fawn population. Comical at this point.
 
Unable to reach their targeted low deer numbers they move to protect coyotes by further limiting opportunity. Instead of them being an open season kill on sight with any weapon target of opportunity, let's make them a furbearer and reduce opportunity killings so that they can continue to grow uncheck and decimate the fawn population. Comical at this point.
Not really comical at all.
 
Proposed Rule Changes - Winter 2020 - Proposed OAC Rule Changes - Summary [pdf 213Kb]
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It appears to me that the 'Ohio Wildlife Council' is conceding to the fact that the future of the sport is in some serious trouble.

If you consider the current trend of less hunters overall/ especially in residents = which results in decreased revenue for the state = proposed absurd regulations & continued increased cost in licences/tags/etc; etc = discouraging even more people of getting into and/or keeping them within the sport .

SAD TO SEE THIS HAPPEN...
 
Proposed Rule Changes - Winter 2020 - Proposed OAC Rule Changes - Summary [pdf 213Kb]
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It appears to me that the 'Ohio Wildlife Council' is conceding to the fact that the future of the sport is in some serious trouble.

If you consider the current trend of less hunters overall/ especially in residents = which results in decreased revenue for the state = proposed absurd regulations & continued increased cost in licences/tags/etc; etc = discouraging even more people of getting into and/or keeping them within the sport .

SAD TO SEE THIS HAPPEN...

Natural progression when you take an awesome top tier state for hunting and tremendously damage your product by bowing to pressure of the farm union and insurance lobby. You can't kill off 30, 40, 50 percent of the deer population and not expect serious impact to the sport and revenue. They're hoping to balance those losses on the backs of the people who got the short end of the stick, hunters. Thats, why we're seeing increases in license and tag fees and the, invent of things like permits to hunt public land, tags only being good for specific areas for specific times etc. The most obsurd being the survey question about if you're willing to pay a fee to hunt ODNR maintained stands on public land. What are you a freaking pay to play outfitter using taxpayer-funded land now? Good luck not having that BS get burned to the ground.
 
Natural progression when you take an awesome top tier state for hunting and tremendously damage your product by bowing to pressure of the farm union and insurance lobby. You can't kill off 30, 40, 50 percent of the deer population and not expect serious impact to the sport and revenue. They're hoping to balance those losses on the backs of the people who got the short end of the stick, hunters. Thats, why we're seeing increases in license and tag fees and the, invent of things like permits to hunt public land, tags only being good for specific areas for specific times etc. The most obsurd being the survey question about if you're willing to pay a fee to hunt ODNR maintained stands on public land. What are you a freaking pay to play outfitter using taxpayer-funded land now? Good luck not having that BS get burned to the ground.
Hasn’t that system worked for years for waterfowlers? Lottery system up on Lake Erie for blinds on state land. @jagermeister
 
I texted a member of the council. Some of you will know who... the response is attached.
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Whoa, I feel that's a move in the opposite direction no matter which way you slice it. If I hunted/trapped yote, I would be OK with buying a fur permit but needs to be year round.

As a deer hunter who will shoot one every chance given, I am not happy with this and I will not buy a fur permit for just a few weeks of the year.
 
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I texted a member of the council. Some of you will know who... the response is attached. View attachment 93797

Hmm. Interesting. I wonder if they're trying to take a page out of the wolf book. Protect predators to increase predation and thus impact hunting.

If it is the HSUS the fact that it was proposed to the WC from the ODNR is scary.
 
Hasn’t that system worked for years for waterfowlers? Lottery system up on Lake Erie for blinds on state land. @jagermeister
Yes, for a long time now, and it works well. But that’s for waterfowl hunting. I don’t think it would be as successful with deer hunters. I too thought that was a dumb ass question in the survey.
Actually, he’s not a biologist. The writer just used that term as a generalization. But I can’t say I disagree with anything he was quoted saying. What did he say that was off base?

First off, believe this new rule when I see it on paper, printed in the regs. Right now it’s nothing more than a proposal, and it’s early. However, I don’t like the proposal at all. I’m okay with there being a trapping season for coyotes, but I think cutting it off at January 31st is way too damn early. They’ve barely started breeding season by then. If you read closely, coyotes were also added to the special “exception” for trapping furbearers like muskrat and mink up around the Lake Erie marshes until March 15th. So here’s my theory... and sorry Joe but it doesn’t involve any conspiracies or “fuck the deer herd” ideology... My guess is someone is trying to put this in place prior to opening a trapping season on bobcats, hoping to reduce the number of nontarget catches. Talk to anyone who coyote traps in SE Ohio and they can’t keep bobcats out of their sets. So I don’t know... maybe this is some kind of bargaining chip to help get us a bobcat season. Another thing is that the OSTA has been pushing for a coyote trapping season for years. They don’t like people shooting yotes and wasting non prime pelts. Maybe since the coyote market is up a bit right now, they’re pushing extra heavy. Hard to say.

I don’t like the proposal. But I don’t think anyone is putting this proposal together in an effort to kill all the deer. If you believe that, well, I guess that’s your opinion. I won’t lose any sleep over it that’s for sure.
 
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Yes, for a long time now, and it works well. But that’s for waterfowl hunting. I don’t think it would be as successful with deer hunters. I too thought that was a dumb ass question in the survey.

Actually, he’s not a biologist. The writer just used that term as a generalization. But I can’t say I disagree with anything he was quoted saying. What did he say that was off base?

First off, believe this new rule when I see it on paper, printed in the regs. Right now it’s nothing more than a proposal, and it’s early. However, I don’t like the proposal at all. I’m okay with there being a trapping season for coyotes, but I think cutting it off at January 31st is way too damn early. They’ve barely started breeding season by then. If you read closely, coyotes were also added to the special “exception” for trapping furbearers like muskrat and mink up around the Lake Erie marshes until March 15th. So here’s my theory... and sorry Joe but it doesn’t involve any conspiracies or “fuck the deer herd” ideology... My guess is someone is trying to put this in place prior to opening a trapping season on bobcats, hoping to reduce the number of nontarget catches. Talk to anyone who coyote traps in SE Ohio and they can’t keep bobcats out of their sets. So I don’t know... maybe this is some kind of bargaining chip to help get us a bobcat season. Another thing is that the OSTA has been pushing for a coyote trapping season for years. They don’t like people shooting yotes and wasting non prime pelts. Maybe since the coyote market is up a bit right now, they’re pushing extra heavy. Hard to say.

I don’t like the proposal. But I don’t think anyone is putting this proposal together in an effort to kill all the deer. If you believe that, well, I guess that’s your opinion. I won’t lose any sleep over it that’s for sure.


It's not that far fetched really. They have two major tools to reduce the deer population. Hunters and a single predator. Both are very efficient. However it's well known that hunters didn't reduce as many deer as they wanted and they're struggling to keep numbers at "target" since a lot of hunters caught on. There are less hunters and hunters have stopped killing so many deer, now many also target coyotes as a way to help bounce back their deer populations. It makes complete sense, if your goal was to maintain or reduce the deer population further you would reduce opportunity and better limit the killing of the only other tool available to you. Thats in no way an absolute, however it makes sense and would be a viable method.
 
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