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Petition to increase non-resident costs

I support a state-by-state reciprocity on pricing of licenses and tags. Let the market set the prices based on value and ROI to consumers. I've always felt we're undervaluing the resources and experiences available in this state and therefore support raising the costs both to non-residents and residents alike. I am willing, and thankfully, able to pay more for higher quality products and experiences, so that's the lense I view this through. I also think we should balance the pricing models with access for all who desire to experience the great outdoors.

It's a complicated situation...
 
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Nope. Wouldn't support Ohio doing it any more than they did the last couple years until they make resident land owners pay for a license. And some day I hope to be an Ohio resident landowner but currently a NR landowner. Might be wrong but I believe Ohio is the only state that does that with Ohio resident landowners.
 
I have always agreed with a state by state reciprocity as Jesse mentioned above, but I believe that should be a minimum of what is done. In reality, I would love to see a lottery system much like western states have. As well as a drastic increase in a buck tag. For elk in Arizona, a resident tag is $79, the NR tag is $680.. This is AFTER you purchase a NR hunting license ($179) each year and $5 to put your name in the lottery for that hunt. The average number of years to draw the unit we did is 7 years. That's $1,288 in licenses and fees before the $689 for a tag.. For a NR the cost is close to $2k to hunt for just 2 weeks. Rifle / Muzzleloader and late archery are completely separate hunts and lottery. Some units take 15-25 years to draw and there is no shortage of people plunking down that yearly fee to apply. whitetail, mulie, couse, sheep, bear, and even javalena are the same way. A NR Tag costs 8x what a resident does. The old adage of people won't pay it and making it a rich man's sport doesn't apply because the cost is the same each year $179 NR license. The difference is you don't get to hunt Arizona every year, so by the time an individual does the total cost is around 2k.

BTW. The JW on that petiton is not me.
 
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Personally I oppose *anything* that will lead to more TDM being implemented in Ohio (or anywhere else for that matter). So, no, I don't support this petition.
 
I'm for raising NR to keep residents costs low.
I dont like reciprocity at all because that opens up the flood gates for quality hunting to residents of states with the worst hunting for the cheapest prices.
If you're traveling out of state you're looking for quality deer, not a good deal on meat. Hunting out of state is a vacation and vacations are expensive. The common sentiment from NRs is that if the price goes up next year, I'm not gonna be pleased. But I'll be back.
Every. Single. Year.
 
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I think they raised the non resident prices this year...last year I believe it was around $125 for a license and $24 for a either sex permit. This year it was $180.96 for a non resident license and $76.96 for a either sex permit.
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Fury... You beat me to it... Didn't they just raise the non-resident license to $180.96 and the deer tag to $76.96???????? So this is either an old petition or who ever started it "should reach down and grab his ears and pull till he hears it pop"...... Keep raising prices and eventually non-resident hunters will stop coming.... Boy would the local business owners miss that added income this time of the year.... How many booners have been posted on this site this year???? Last year???? 2 years ago???? Not exactly the deer herd it was years ago ,is it????
 
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Fury... You beat me to it... Didn't they just raise the non-resident license to $180.96 and the deer tag to $76.96???????? So this is either an old petition or who ever started it "should reach down and grab his ears and pull till he hears it pop"...... Keep raising prices and eventually non-resident hunters will stop coming.... Boy would the local business owners miss that added income this time of the year.... How many booners have been posted on this site this year???? Last year???? 2 years ago???? Not exactly the deer herd it was years ago ,is it????
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It's not, it's actually better as you can see from this data. http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/Portals/wildlife/pdfs/publications/hunting/Pub 5304_DeerSummary_2019.pdf
Overall harvest down a bit which is expected with the big change they made with public land during the gun season. Overall buck harvest up and reported age class of buck up as well over a 3 year average.
I'll keep saying it, the NRs will keep coming again and again. The price of a tag and license is the cost of 2 nights in the hotel per guy. Yes that hits hard when 1 guy is taking his 4 kids, but again out of state hunting is a vacation, vacations aint cheap. You're removing a resource from the state and its citizens and still getting it at a better rate than from the butcher.
It's not the only price increases aimed at sportsman either. In my area you can expect every cabin and air bnb to be spoken for months in advance for all of november and all firearms seasons. These prices are higher for this time of year, because they know they will all be taken. Supply and demand, simple as that.
 
I agree w/ @giles, but would say that as long as we remain civil, the discussion is good because we get to hear different perspectives and maybe, we will have our minds changed somehow. I like seeing how different guys view this topic, and what factors lead them to that conclusion. It helps me refine my perspective and how I defend/portray it.
 
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Keep raising prices and eventually non-resident hunters will stop coming.... Boy would the local business owners miss that added income this time of the year....
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I've never been one to buy into this argument... Resident spend exponentially more locally than Non-Residents. Sure motel rooms play a part. But it's the resident who travels to other counties, and even hunts at home, that spends the lions share of the cash in the local economy. Whereas a NR has the ability to haul in food, beer, fuel, corn, ammo, and everything else, a resident's purchases the vast majority of that in-state. Bows, arrows, quads, trailer to haul it and the list goes on.. If we're talking purely about consumables, a week-long trip to WNF the resident is procuring 100% of his goods in the state, either before he leaves home, or when he arrives. Whereas the bulk of NRs are hauling it in. While the NR hunters do spend money in Ohio it is nowhere near the amount spent by resident hunters. As such the impact will not be that great if some of them stop coming. There are tons of states with exponentially higher fees who have no problem getting NRs to pay a higher cost. There's a happy medium, and Ohio is nowhere near close to it.. If a state raises the fee by 100% and 50% of people stop coming, it's a revenue wash.
 
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I agree that if you own land, you shouldn’t have to pay NR prices.

I love the idea of a draw system, I’ve said that many times. I really like this idea for public land, NR’s.

I don’t see the people paying $5,000+ for a lease leaving over a NR fee increase.

Pay to play is the way it is going and I don’t see anything stopping it. The state is only wasting time not getting with the times. This also means they’re leaving money on the table right now. Add that with the low recruitment numbers...resident or not, we all get the shaft in the end.
 
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What are most of your arguments for raising the NR fees though?? Because you would like the ODNR to have all kinds of excess funds for super fun DNR things to do?? Because of leased up property or state land you used to hunt on? Or is it because you want to stick it to the NR as much as possible because you hate them? Those are legitimate questions that show the basis of why people want it to go through the roof. I would guess a good majority of people really aren't truly impacted in any way by the numbers of NR hunters, they just don't like 'em or the outfitters they use.
 
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My desire to see increased fees is so we can start valuing the state's resources at fair market value, then using the increased revenue to add/expand/improve habitat and hunting opportunities in the state.

I've said this for a decade now: We're leaving money on the table that could be used to increase access and opportunity. That's a fair cry from jealousy over leasing or simply disliking NR hunters...
 
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My hopes would be to turn that money into more land. Or more GW’s.


Maybe if anything is left we can improve habitat.


Every year things get “cut” because the funds just aren’t able to support it. Our GW’s are way overworked. Why not have the people that come here for pleasure, fund that?
 
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