So here we have some unions trying to stick together to keep our benefits and our training.
I can’t argue any of the rest of that besides it happens everywhere. There was a reason those guys you hired weren’t busy with work.
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I can’t argue any of the rest of that besides it happens everywhere. There was a reason those guys you hired weren’t busy with work.
It’s all good and I’m sure this will get lots of talk for both sides. Unions have built this foundation and have used this for many years. I argue that the program will be degraded if it branches out. If you want the training and support of a union, join a union.
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No they're trying to maintain sole ownership of credentials and dictate that no man cometh to a skilled trade but through me.. The proposed rule specifically says its intention is not to dismantle that process but rather to allow an alternate path.
I have a CDL with tanker endorsement and I’m a heavy equipment operator...someone let me use a fire truck to respond to a fire?
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Union support like when the UAW was given majority ownership of Chrysler in a bankruptcy they caused and then sold it to the foreign company fiat? So much for "Buy American"
Ok now that one was a little union bash. I couldn't resist.
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Again. Nowhere has this program proposed such obsurdity. It is however proposing that a person should be allowed to get a fire truck operators certification through an industry-recognized and certified apprenticeship other than just a union one. Which BTW. They do just that today.
My point behind that post was to say this.
If you want the training for something, go get it. If you want to be a fireman, go. If you want an apprenticeship program and what goes with it, go.
Right now, these apprenticeship programs are what sets us aside from the rest.
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They do, but only because they lay claim to being the only ones and strongly resist the creation of any others. If they're as good as they claim, then competition won't hurt and the union ones will still be the "gold standard". Their fear of it tells me otherwise though.
Open up the union programs to everyone and my benefits will go down. We get paid more because of these programs. Pass this and it’s taking food off my plate. That makes this very serious for me and I hope this program doesn’t change and gives our future a chance to do what I have.
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They're not wanting to open up the union programs to everyone. They're wanting to create industry standard competing programs that don't rely on the unions to get future workers in to skilled trades. Dictation of compensation levels based upon monopolized labor qualification standards isn't right. America needs skilled workers and tradesmen, not union card holders, and people should be allowed to achieve that employment opportunity without joining a union.
My stance is still the same. You want what we have, come join us. Don’t regulate me to your standards. You want this, come join us.
Since this is a union talk I'll chime in my two cents.....I'm a union bricklayer we are never wrong haha. I'm for and against the union ways. Unions fought for freedoms in our workplace....breaks 8hr day wages and so on.....I was taught a trade that generations and generations.
Passed down learning from everyone not just family or one teacher. There are good great wonderful craftsmen taught just from their fathers or family but what information learned ( up to the individual what's used and remembered) from the apprenticeship in four years is worth Alot more than one individual. If unions weren't regulating wages it'd look like southern Alabama in the north rich and poorer. It keeps power in check. Although currupt and sinful as every other powerhouse company out there unions keep a balance. I have a big beef with lazy unions workers. Just in my area auto workers any private factory unions that workers get away with anything but murder. We can't keep labor anymore, nobody wants to work hard anymore white black Mexican not many make it...the union trained me and gave me a good wage. youd be be crazy not to be in the union doing what I do if you didn't own your own company. The whole liberal bs pisses me off they shove down our throats. Quality of work in America is failing all round!!!!!faster cheaper faster cut corners bullshit reguardless who is doing the job union or non union. Keep a skilled skilled trade work hard! and you'll always have a job union or not.
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Percisely why this is needed. No single organization should be allowed to dictate a persons ability to do a skilled trade, or prevent them from pursuing that trade if they don't wan to join their club. Especially if that group uses that to manipulate the labor pool.
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I understand what you're saying, however i don't buy the wage issue. Honda Marrysville is doing fantastic as a none union shop. The employees make damn good wages, have a great retirement, and awesome perks. The same can be said for the Hyundai plant in Alabama.
On the other side there are plenty of unemployed UAW workers from GM Lorain plant, IH Springfield plant, and Dayton Delphi plant that would probably love to have those jobs now. And n the news today the GM lordstown plant is closing here in Ohio. The Union negotiated and wage protected their workers right to the unemployment line. Yet my wifes uncle just retired from Honda at 57 with a damn good pension and 401k and great benefits.
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M y understanding of this bill's problem is that anyone can just say we have an apprenticeship program and they do. There is no submitting of a curriculum to the state, no audits once to twice a year every year to make sure they are really doing as they say or anything else. Reminds me of a few years ago when non union contractors were asking for tax dollars to support apprenticeship programs to compete with non union. Follow the rules already in place and any non union contractor can start an accredited program now, they just don't want to follow the same rules and spend the same money on training unions do.
Honda is paying the top rate and good benefits. They have to to get good employees (they must compete with union wages). If prevailing wages didn't exist There would be no wage "bar" set. Look at most any area in the country without a strong union presence and hourly wages of Union and non union workers are always lower. Honda employees r only making good money because of union established wages. I'm assuming in the south they r buying the best employees like they r here......without union wages life would be like the fast food industry for unskilled factory workers......
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That's incorrect bud. Right in the summary it states.
National Apprenticeship Act (NAA) to establish a process for recognizing Standards Recognition Entities (SREs), which will in turn recognize Industry-Recognized Apprenticeship Programs (Industry Programs). This proposed rule describes what entities may become SREs; outlines the responsibilities and requirements for SREs, as well as the hallmarks of the high-quality apprenticeship programs they will recognize; and sets out how the Administrator of the Office of Apprenticeship will interact with SREs
It then goes on in the bill to describe exactly how this is done.
The SREs will be a panel of industry leaders who will approve or disapprove of an apprenticeship program. For example Boeing, Lockheed, and Airbus may be on the SRE for establishing an apprenticeship program for Aircraft Mechanics. Anyone wanting to create an apprenticeship program has to submit to that panel for approval. It's required to meet specific standards, investment, like a paid work component etc. The SREs themselves must be realproved every 5 years through the department of labor.
This is quite literally the private industry creating a program to create, monitor, and approve apprenticeship programs within their own industry.