We all knew this was coming Horton Trade in Program By TenPoint
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Believe this: There is even more to come than what we've seen so far. :smiley_coolpeace:
I just wrote Tenpoint and let them know we're "Roasting" them on this one.
I just wrote Tenpoint and let them know we're "Roasting" them on this one.
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Well I look at things a little different then most and yeah I can just hear Jack laughing...
I think most people on this forum use crossbows to hunt deer, so my question is it really necessary to have a bow that shoots 795fps to shoot a deer at 40yds???
I say no... Back to topic at hand..
I have a pretty old Horton but it still shoots damn good(320fps) and I spent a lot of time searching the internet for who actually bought all the parts and how I could get them without the BS scammers screwing me with a 700% marked up pricing... Well I did... So I bought 2 set of limbs and cables and strings so im pretty much set as long as I can hunt.. The bow being a 200# draw, well we all know is a lot of stress on limbs, etc so I have my buddy compress limbs/cables so I can get even longer life out of them before the stretch and need replacing.
So I hope no one buys into this TenPoint crap because its not fair nor is it showing their support and appreciation to so many hunters in Ohio who buy their gear because its from Ohio, etc.
JMTC and I'll quite my bitchin. lol
I think most people on this forum use crossbows to hunt deer, so my question is it really necessary to have a bow that shoots 795fps to shoot a deer at 40yds???
I say no... Back to topic at hand..
I have a pretty old Horton but it still shoots damn good(320fps) and I spent a lot of time searching the internet for who actually bought all the parts and how I could get them without the BS scammers screwing me with a 700% marked up pricing... Well I did... So I bought 2 set of limbs and cables and strings so im pretty much set as long as I can hunt.. The bow being a 200# draw, well we all know is a lot of stress on limbs, etc so I have my buddy compress limbs/cables so I can get even longer life out of them before the stretch and need replacing.
So I hope no one buys into this TenPoint crap because its not fair nor is it showing their support and appreciation to so many hunters in Ohio who buy their gear because its from Ohio, etc.
JMTC and I'll quite my bitchin. lol
Doesn't bother me in the least. My Horton is simply a way for my boy to hunt until he can pull back 40lbs. He was pissed (in a 9yr old way) when i told him he couldn't use his Lil' Bear recurve to hunt. All this tells me is I hope the Horton holds up until my wife or kids (if they choose to continue hunting) can consistently stack arrows with the Diamond Razor's Edge at 40lbs or more. I wouldn't rule out a used Tenpoint but I could never justify dropping coin on a new crossbow. The one we have doesn't get much use as it is. Every time we pull it out my son is shooting excellent groups though. He and my daughter (9 and 12) put all their shots within a 4" group yesterday when they shot. My daughter had never shot it before. I guess I should fess up: All her shots after the first 2 were in a 4" group. Took her a couple shots to figure it out.
I've owned two ten points and both were great shooting bows with little too no issues at all with them good quality great customer service but with that being said, I've never paid anything close too their asking price for a new one... The last one was bought off of a guy who won it 3-4 years earlier who never used it and it sat in the closet the whole time.... I could never justify that much coin on a bow regardless the design/type it was..... It's not like a gun that maintains it's value it's more like a mustang that you drive too work every day that depreciates.....
oakswamper
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Here is a bit more of what I was talking about. A scorpypd crossbow with a Tenpoint Accudraw on it. What's up with that?
I have been reading through this and cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks Tenpoint owes them anything. I have read the news release posted on other sites (as I am sure you all have as well) and cannot find anything that says that anybody other than Greg Ritz and his investors are to blame. The way I see it is that you bought a bow (whether $300 or $1200 or somewhere in between) the company went bankrupt and you were left with a bow that may or may not be broke. I say suck it up Nancy cause I cant find anything other than ramblings from a bunch of grumpy old men that say Tenpoint is to blame. I have a Horton and it still works just fine and I will probably keep it for a long time since it belonged to my dad, but if it breaks and I cant get parts I will have to buy another bow or sit on my couch and eat BonBons. Either way, I am smart enough to realize that Tenpoint did not break my bow and they did not leave me high and dry-Horton Archery did that. I say get the facts, or just believe your buddies, whichever.
Don't know where you gathered we thought ten point owes anyone anything..... We're just saying they're offer at trading a Horton for a ten point and receiving merchandise in return is a bad deal in most of our eyes is all.... That and an AR holds it value way more then a crossbow....
Treed
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I'm still trying to find the post where one of us said Ten Point owes us anything. We're simply saying that trading a bow for a bunch of accessories that go with a new bow that cost 4x more than the original bow you had is rather stupid, unless your Horton is 20 years old of course. But then, I'm sure those wouldn't qualify for the program anyway. It's a marketing ploy, plain and simple, and a bad one at that. We're just pointing out the facts. Thank God I got extra limbs and cables when the getting was good. My Horton works great too, it also cost twice what their accessory package would run, when it breaks, I can fix it. Why the hell would I or anyone else who has a high end Horton even consider this? Think about it......Grumpy old men my ass. Hey, nice first post though.
This is the first letter I received back when I wrote and let them know they were being roasted for the offer.
Rick,
I am very sorry that you feel this way about TenPoint. I understand that you along with many others feel that you have somehow been slighted by TenPoint but that is simply not the case. TenPoint had NOTHING to do with the demise of the former Horton Archery LLC. Previous ownership apparently made some bad business decisions that left many people without answers, without warranties, and more importantly without a bow.
Although they have no obligation to do anything, TenPoint is trying to do something. We know you have many crossbow options available to you when you decide to make another purchase, but we sincerely hope you will take the time to do the research and get a better understanding of the transaction that occurred. TenPoint purchased the name only as well as a few other selected assets, not the entire operation. That purchase was made long after Horton ownership lost the company to the bank.
I have attached a copy of the press release that explains the purchase in more detail. I hope it will give you a better understanding of who we are and what occurred.
If you have additional questions or concerns please feel free to contact me. If you prefer to discuss over the phone you may call me at 330-628-9245 ext 115.
Thank you for taking the time to communicate with TenPoint.
Rick,
I am very sorry that you feel this way about TenPoint. I understand that you along with many others feel that you have somehow been slighted by TenPoint but that is simply not the case. TenPoint had NOTHING to do with the demise of the former Horton Archery LLC. Previous ownership apparently made some bad business decisions that left many people without answers, without warranties, and more importantly without a bow.
Although they have no obligation to do anything, TenPoint is trying to do something. We know you have many crossbow options available to you when you decide to make another purchase, but we sincerely hope you will take the time to do the research and get a better understanding of the transaction that occurred. TenPoint purchased the name only as well as a few other selected assets, not the entire operation. That purchase was made long after Horton ownership lost the company to the bank.
I have attached a copy of the press release that explains the purchase in more detail. I hope it will give you a better understanding of who we are and what occurred.
If you have additional questions or concerns please feel free to contact me. If you prefer to discuss over the phone you may call me at 330-628-9245 ext 115.
Thank you for taking the time to communicate with TenPoint.
Then I wrote this to them:
Biggest thing most are upset about is the parts. Many people think there should have been a legit (say 2 year) warning that parts would disappear at a certain date. What actually is a few other selected assets? Was this the parts department? What parts did hit the market were outrageous in price.
I am not randomly picking on Tenpoint. I am relaying what is being said on hunting forums, lunchtime discussions ect ect. I am known for being a crossbow hunter since they became legal in Ohio. At one time, I owned 41 of them. Many people bring up Crossbow issues with me and I am relaying what is being said on the street.
Biggest thing most are upset about is the parts. Many people think there should have been a legit (say 2 year) warning that parts would disappear at a certain date. What actually is a few other selected assets? Was this the parts department? What parts did hit the market were outrageous in price.
I am not randomly picking on Tenpoint. I am relaying what is being said on hunting forums, lunchtime discussions ect ect. I am known for being a crossbow hunter since they became legal in Ohio. At one time, I owned 41 of them. Many people bring up Crossbow issues with me and I am relaying what is being said on the street.
This is the last reply I received today:
Rick,
I appreciate the effort you are making in trying to understand this process rather than just taking what you hear and running with it.
TenPoint purchased the rights to the name, some intellectual property (patents for example) and some machinery (tow motors, bow presses, etc). Those items are the other selected assets. We at no point were able to purchase parts or tooling to make parts. A liquidation company came in and gobbled that all up from the bank. With that said, even if we would have been able to purchase that part of the business, it would not have been a financially responsible thing to do for our company. There was no way for TenPoint to give any kind of warning that this was going to happen. The writing has been on the wall for quite some time now but nobody (except the former owners of Horton) could have possibly known the extent of their problems or exactly when they would fall. TenPoint is trying to do the best they can for everyone involved. The situation is unfortunate and TenPoint has NO obligation to do anything at all. No different than any other crossbow manufacture has no obligation to do anything. Yes we would like to have more customers (tell me what business wouldn’t). But we are not trying to leave everybody high and dry. So the Trade-In program is our way to help a little. This program is not going to be beneficial for everyone. This is geared more toward the guy who has a 10-20 year old bow that either no longer works or knows he will no longer be able to get parts in the future. Or the guy who was already in the market for a new bow anyway and this will give him a little something for making that at TenPoint. The items in the package may seem frivolous to some but again, we do not have to give anything at all. And folks need to keep in mind that these are items they will most likely be purchasing at some point anyway. Lube, Wax, Arrows, Free String and Cable changes for the future. You will definitely need to have string and cables changed at some point in the near future (2-3yrs) anyway.
I hope that I have been able to give you a better understanding and that you can confidently remain a loyal TenPoint customer. Please continue to ask questions if you have them or voice concerns if you have them. And please pass along my information to anyone who you feel could benefit from chatting with me or I if could benefit from chatting with them.
Rick,
I appreciate the effort you are making in trying to understand this process rather than just taking what you hear and running with it.
TenPoint purchased the rights to the name, some intellectual property (patents for example) and some machinery (tow motors, bow presses, etc). Those items are the other selected assets. We at no point were able to purchase parts or tooling to make parts. A liquidation company came in and gobbled that all up from the bank. With that said, even if we would have been able to purchase that part of the business, it would not have been a financially responsible thing to do for our company. There was no way for TenPoint to give any kind of warning that this was going to happen. The writing has been on the wall for quite some time now but nobody (except the former owners of Horton) could have possibly known the extent of their problems or exactly when they would fall. TenPoint is trying to do the best they can for everyone involved. The situation is unfortunate and TenPoint has NO obligation to do anything at all. No different than any other crossbow manufacture has no obligation to do anything. Yes we would like to have more customers (tell me what business wouldn’t). But we are not trying to leave everybody high and dry. So the Trade-In program is our way to help a little. This program is not going to be beneficial for everyone. This is geared more toward the guy who has a 10-20 year old bow that either no longer works or knows he will no longer be able to get parts in the future. Or the guy who was already in the market for a new bow anyway and this will give him a little something for making that at TenPoint. The items in the package may seem frivolous to some but again, we do not have to give anything at all. And folks need to keep in mind that these are items they will most likely be purchasing at some point anyway. Lube, Wax, Arrows, Free String and Cable changes for the future. You will definitely need to have string and cables changed at some point in the near future (2-3yrs) anyway.
I hope that I have been able to give you a better understanding and that you can confidently remain a loyal TenPoint customer. Please continue to ask questions if you have them or voice concerns if you have them. And please pass along my information to anyone who you feel could benefit from chatting with me or I if could benefit from chatting with them.
I will say this: Sabrina does have a logical point if in fact Tenpoint Never had access to the parts. I believe I would have left it all as is instead of coming out with an offer like they did. I do know, Parker Crossbows Rock, their customer service is Above And Beyond and they won't break the bank!
Treed
Junior Member
I like how they keep reiterating the fact that they're under NO obligation to do anything at all so as to illustrate this noble act of kindness. How magnanimous. I stand corrected regarding my previous statement about 20yr. old bows not qualifying for their trade in though.
People will get the facts and still bitch!!!! Looks like horton is the the one that left people with there bows hanging!!! Whole thing makes me glad that i bought a Excaliber!!!!
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Thing is guys Horton didn't have many parts on hand when they closed the doors. Don't forget the parts came from China not a US manufacturer. I will NOT mention how I know but most of the parts they had on hand were defective. When they started getting parts made in china the quality suffered. As a result they ended up with a bunch of reject parts. Instead of sending the parts back they put them in a stock room. Then they borrowed money against the parts as inventory assets. As a result when they went under there were not many good parts on hand. Just a bunch of defective parts owed to creditors. Most ended up in dumpsters.
Makes me nervous with my TC muzzle loader. Is Ritz still an owner there? Horton was THE crossbow company for years. Hard to believe management could piss it away like they did. I would hate to see the same thing happen to TC.
I still think no offer would have been less insulting that the offer Ten Point made. It was a joke.