Ive found that "continuous improvement' rarely is.
Its usually rationalization for making changes because some academic/consultant somewhere said you should.
What’s changed? Why?
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Ive found that "continuous improvement' rarely is.
Its usually rationalization for making changes because some academic/consultant somewhere said you should.
That's one way to look at it. The other being the perspective that we shouldn't be so egotistical as to think that we can't improve upon ourselves or our SOPs. It doesn't take an academic or a consultant for you to get better at life.
I remember sitting there with my dad when I was about 10 years old. I was bored out of my mind and ripping leaves apart. I would slowly tear them along the stem. I would also get yelled at for making too much noise. Then it turned to digging the heels of my boot into the ground. Again, I got yelled at.
Taking a handheld game isn't an awful thing. Like Fiddy Cent said, we all find ways to pass the time. Some read a book... some play Candy Crush (I'm guilty)... some look at social media... Hell, Giles looks at Porn Hub.
The important thing is getting the kids out there. The conversation and learning will still happen.
For me, each of my boys were different in the field. Kody would either play his game a lot or just fall asleep. Klay would leave his game in his bag and stare intently into the woods. Either way, I was spending time with them and enjoying the hell out of it.
Lastly, deer hunting is kind of a tough way to get kids interested in hunting because of the slow times. Small game hunting is where it's at for real action. No handheld games needed when you're marching through the woods educating the kids about sign and such. And, like Brock said, take a beagle along and the real fun begins! Hard to beat a beagle singing on a trail and a kid nailing their first rabbit on the run. I miss those days for sure.
Taking a handheld game isn't an awful thing. Like Fiddy Cent said, we all find ways to pass the time. Some read a book... some play Candy Crush (I'm guilty)... some look at social media... Hell, Giles looks at Porn Hub.
The important thing is getting the kids out there. The conversation and learning will still happen.
For me, each of my boys were different in the field. Kody would either play his game a lot or just fall asleep. Klay would leave his game in his bag and stare intently into the woods. Either way, I was spending time with them and enjoying the hell out of it.
Lastly, deer hunting is kind of a tough way to get kids interested in hunting because of the slow times. Small game hunting is where it's at for real action. No handheld games needed when you're marching through the woods educating the kids about sign and such. And, like Brock said, take a beagle along and the real fun begins! Hard to beat a beagle singing on a trail and a kid nailing their first rabbit on the run. I miss those days for sure.
Excellent topic!
Hunting, trapping & fishing was a way of life for me when I was young. Everyone in the family did it and I was fortunate enough to grow up just outside the Adirondack Park on the rural North Shore of the largest finger lake of NY, Oneida Lake, which has some of the best fishing in the state.
As far as passing on the tradition on to my boys, I feed them mostly game that I harvested all their life and when they wanted to spend quality time with me, they knew they'd have to ask and that's exactly what the did. Yes, I did all the things a father is suppose to do has far as raising kids, but playtime with me always included the outdoors and my boys learned that.
Around the dinner table many of times I'd share my outdoor adventure stories with them and I just knew sooner or later they'd want to experience it 'TOO' beyond their Playstation, xbox and so on.
My eldest harvested his first deer during his first season once he decided to get out there. I bought him a nice used compond Mathews bow, which I still have today for anyone that wishes to learn and/or use it if they wish to hunt with me.
I've taken a few other youths out over the years that were less privileged or in the last case, lost his father at a young age and had no one to tech him and/or take him. I put him on deer everyday until he finally connected.
I love taken those that wish to learn and have the desire for it. Never will I force it on anyone and let me tell ya, there's nothing like seeing their eyes light up when they become successful and you knew you just made a hunter out them for life!
I'd highly recommend introducing the outdoor life to a youth that may not be yours or within your family cause God knows, we are a dying breed as far as hunters go.
Hunting, trapping & fishing was a way of life for me when I was young. Everyone in the family did it and I was fortunate enough to grow up just outside the Adirondack Park on the rural North Shore of the largest finger lake of NY, Oneida Lake, which has some of the best fishing in the state.
As far as passing on the tradition on to my boys, I feed them mostly game that I harvested all their life and when they wanted to spend quality time with me, they knew they'd have to ask and that's exactly what the did. Yes, I did all the things a father is suppose to do has far as raising kids, but playtime with me always included the outdoors and my boys learned that.
Around the dinner table many of times I'd share my outdoor adventure stories with them and I just knew sooner or later they'd want to experience it 'TOO' beyond their Playstation, xbox and so on.
My eldest harvested his first deer during his first season once he decided to get out there. I bought him a nice used compond Mathews bow, which I still have today for anyone that wishes to learn and/or use it if they wish to hunt with me.
I've taken a few other youths out over the years that were less privileged or in the last case, lost his father at a young age and had no one to tech him and/or take him. I put him on deer everyday until he finally connected.
I love taken those that wish to learn and have the desire for it. Never will I force it on anyone and let me tell ya, there's nothing like seeing their eyes light up when they become successful and you knew you just made a hunter out them for life!
I'd highly recommend introducing the outdoor life to a youth that may not be yours or within your family cause God knows, we are a dying breed as far as hunters go.
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I had the same upbringing as most of you, I learned the hard way. I was sent into the brush to jump rabbits, walked crp to drive deer, and I looked for bait at night to go fishing the next day. I enjoyed doing it, so no big deal. While I haven't taken my 6 year old daughter out hunting yet, I'll do what I have to ensure she has fun. When we fish, she doesn't bring here kiddy tablet. When she's done fishing, we're done fishing. If she wants to stop fishing and throw rocks or look for other critters we do it. She never tells me no when I ask her if she wants to do something outdoors. We talk about stuff, why I do this or do that. When she wants to talk about something unrelated to what were doing, we talk about it. If she is enjoying herself, so am I.
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Based on my post I deserve this, but I on several occasions I have taken my students on rabbit hunts in the past and may y take a few of my football players this year. My point is that catering to much to kids and making sure everything is fun and entertaining all the time is not teaching them what hunting is. Hard work, dedication, patients and last a successful harvest. So based on my last 4 or 5 experiences rabbit hunting with groups of men, where it was assumed that it was a hunt (not a kids hunt, same idea as when your take your kids fishing v. actually fishing), I feel like if the children were not constantly entertained or getting shots they wanted to quit, complain etc. These children have a sense of instant gratification, now my sample size is small, but in conversations with other hunters like myself I hear similar stories, experiences.
Generally speaking I feel like parents and adults l cater to kids way to much and their is now a expectation that children must be entertained all the time. Participation in youth sports continues to fall, some of this I believe goes back to teaching the core values listed above patients, dedication, hard work, etc. To Answer some of Jesse's post which I have not thoroughly read yet, I am not out of touch with young people or the old man on his porch yelling "get off my lawn" I just feel like our demands as adults on children have changed and it is evident in hunting, fishing and sports. Basically if it is not fun all the time or there is some hard work, I don't want to do it. Does this apply to every child absolutely not, do I think it is increasingly becoming a norm for a majority of todays kids. And I don't believe in making it "hell" for kids, I just feel like a little bit of struggle and failure is a good thing and ultimately leads to greater success.
Who gives a shit who pulls the trigger? Ends up in the same freezer. Same with fishing, I rarely wet a line anymore. If I make it all about me, it ends with me.
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It has nothing do with whose pulling the trigger at all, its learning values and lessons the sport is supposed to provide, I could care a less if i kill another rabbit in my life Ive killed plenty. completely missing my point, if this is directed towarded my post
Today’s world is different bub...gotta get creative to teach kids values and lessons. Much of the things we did would land a parent in jail now. Maybe that’s a trickle effect of exactly what you are trying to say, but that’s for another conversation all together.
And this is a very large part of the problem. I could say more about how an occasional and necessary butt whoopin growing up would cure a large number of social ills....but I'll refrain.
It's less about the physical action of spanking and more about kids understanding certain actions have consequences that suck. I have a two girls, ages 6 and 2. Threaten them with an ass whoppin and they'll react the same way we did as kids, they cover their butts and beg for it not to happen. Why? Follow through is why. Too many parents make hollow threats regarding consequences and kids soon learn there's not REAL consequences, just threats of them. I've had parent's say to me, or my wife, "I wish my kid's listened like that." Then they'll go on to say how hard it is to issue discipline and they don't do a good job of it. Well, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the disconnect.
Slightly off the original topic, but it does address some of our larger societal issues that impact how we raise our kid's in today's world.
Slightly off the original topic, but it does address some of our larger societal issues that impact how we raise our kid's in today's world.
Could you imagine what social media would do about 6 drunk adults with guns sending a 10 year old on a beer run.
That was also about the time they figured out smoking cigarettes was bad.
Show up to Paint Creek this year, big Jon. I think you’ll see how most of us and our kids act.
That was also about the time they figured out smoking cigarettes was bad.
Show up to Paint Creek this year, big Jon. I think you’ll see how most of us and our kids act.
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Hey Floki - better not catch u with your phone in hand checking TOO while hunting either!!! U better just be out there enjoying the chirping birds!!! 
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The idea behind the youth seasons isn't so much for parents that consistently take their kids out hunting. The hope is that some kids that typically don't have someone who takes them will maybe get taken by a neighbor, friend of the family, etc. I see it happen a lot in PA especially with the small game youth seasons.
It was never said that it sucked. Not even close. If it sucked I and most others would have choose to opt out.
The old school trends made men. The new school well we see where that’s headed. Continuous improvement doesn’t start with a video game in the woods.Time with mom and dad with out having there face in a phone or game is improvement at its best. Or is the standard come with me to the woods and you can play you game?
In the mean time I’ll hunt for you. I’ve took many, many youths hunting. At a point you realize your hunting they are playing games., or doing some type of stupid shit. So yeah I blame the games I blame the device but mostly I blame me. You may be right about that.
Yet I believe Old school definitely has its place. New school is all about entitlement. You can’t cater to every need. You have to have a little adversity, there has to be a point you say no!
If not 20 years from now when they have kids they will be out there teaching kids how to spin records with there ear buds on. I truly wonder what the technology will be for hunting when my kid, is teaching his? How much of a challenge will it be, Would we even consider it a sport at that point?
I get the fact everyone wants the best for there kids. Yet how many times has anyone showed there kids adversity in the woods? It’s not a party it’s not game time.who knows maybe some day there life may depend upon it.
I guess it’s a delicate balance, old school/new school. I will entertain my son, but I will not hunt for him. Meaning you do what ya want. Till a deer shows up, Then I tell you get ready it’s coming. Well maybe once but never again. It’s not fair either way.
I just think every other hunt or so show the youths some adversity. See how they handle it.
Perhaps they are ready to go home, then you say okay. Ya get 25 feet of the truck and realize ya dropped your knife that ya didn’t. So ya go for a walk for another hour. Etc etc. Watch how they react. Therein I believe lies the truth.
Youth hunting season is a blessing. Wish it was around when I was a young. It gives a dad dedicated time to hunt with the kid and let it be there’s.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in it should just take their kid to camp in adult season the first day. They have that option! Easy peasy.
This is a reflection for me of the many youths I’ve took hunting. For many years. Now it’s time to raise mine. He’s got his first deer as of last year. Time to change some things up.