Gun week total is down 8%

[mrex]

well how many is that mike? surely they have a number in mind.....i want the no bullshit answer not the horse shit answer

I honestly don't know.

As for the public land permits, they know the ground is being over hunted and something has to be done to slow it down. I think it will be tough to enforce, but as former DOW Chief Budzik once told me, we won't enact laws based on what a poacher might do. Speaking of Mike Budzik, with the regime change in Columbus, don't be surprised to see him surface as the new ODNR Director...which would be good for us.

 

[mrex]

Your not kidding. You know what that is going to accomplish ? It is going to speed up the leasing that we have seen already and screw even more hunters. Not to mention the guys like me that hunt on property that all you have to do is ask the landowner and he says " Sure here is your slip"

...like I said, no matter what call they make, it's going to upset somebody.

 

[Ohiosam]

Drawings for doe tags?
I know you probably don't have specific answers. I'm just trying to figure out how this might work.

Would the doe permits be for a specific public area?
Would the numbers of permits vary based on specific harvest goals for each public area?
You might have to plan way ahead where you wanted to hunt and how many tags you wanted to buy.
I see this as adding a level of complication and confusion to the regs.

 

[Jackalope]

Drawings for doe tags?
I know you probably don't have specific answers. I'm just trying to figure out how this might work.

Would the doe permits be for a specific public area?
Would the numbers of permits vary based on specific harvest goals for each public area?
You might have to plan way ahead where you wanted to hunt and how many tags you wanted to buy.
I see this as adding a level of complication and confusion to the regs.

The same way it's done on controlled hunts.

 

[Ohiosam]

I can see it could be similar as controlled hunts but on a much larger scale, and I would assume they would be good for long periods of time, maybe all season.

 

[Milo]

I honestly don't know.

As for the public land permits, they know the ground is being over hunted and something has to be done to slow it down. I think it will be tough to enforce, but as former DOW Chief Budzik once told me, we won't enact laws based on what a poacher might do. Speaking of Mike Budzik, with the regime change in Columbus, don't be surprised to see him surface as the new ODNR Director...which would be good for us.

ask mike...

 

[brock ratcliff]

I'm just going back to rabbit hunting...

 

[hickslawns]

I just read all of this. dang. I am going to just keep working on purchasing my own ground. Only option I have. I don't travel to hunt at the current time, so all I can do is feel bad for you guys. My county is always low. Property is not available. Available property is heavily hunted. Non-heavily hunted property is trespassed on or people poach it. My only thoughts are zone limits in smaller sections such as "by county". My problem is the WO of my county, (although a good guy) hunts in an area plum full of deer. He is on the north end of the county. My south end of the county is apples vs oranges to where he hunts. I don't foresee him speaking up for the entire county based on what I am seeing. It is nothing like what he sees.

 

[tuffshot]

I honestly don't know.

As for the public land permits, they know the ground is being over hunted and something has to be done to slow it down. I think it will be tough to enforce, but as former DOW Chief Budzik once told me, we won't enact laws based on what a poacher might do. Speaking of Mike Budzik, with the regime change in Columbus, don't be surprised to see him surface as the new ODNR Director...which would be good for us.

Great, the DNR helped create the mess and now they want to punish those that have no where else to hunt.
Reactionary management. It has been all along.

 

[mrex]

ask mike...

There is no statewide target. One of the upsides to telecheck will be the eventual elimination of zones and a move to county by county harvest targets.

 

[jagermeister]

Great, the DNR helped create the mess and now they want to punish those that have no where else to hunt.
Reactionary management. It has been all along.

Would you rather have reactionary management, or no management at all? Just because there's a possibility of lottery anterless permits on public land doesn't mean you won't get to kill anything... you don't even know how many permits would be handed out. I guess my perception of a "mess" is much different than yours. I could have killed 20 different deer from a public land stand this past November, in only 6 days of hunting. Everything seems to be "in order" down there from my point of view.

 

[tuffshot]

Would you rather have reactionary management, or no management at all? Just because there's a possibility of lottery anterless permits on public land doesn't mean you won't get to kill anything... you don't even know how many permits would be handed out. I guess my perception of a "mess" is much different than yours. I could have killed 20 different deer from a public land stand this past November, in only 6 days of hunting. Everything seems to be "in order" down there from my point of view.

You may have seen 20 deer but doubt you could have killed them all.
Your area is not represenative of the whole state. I would almost bet your area was not as productive as it is today. If and when it changes where will you be?
For every action there is a reaction to determine the reaction before hand is not reactionary.
I can still remember when they wanted the herd up to 500 to 600K, oops maybe we went to far.

 

[Milo]

There is no statewide target. One of the upsides to telecheck will be the eventual elimination of zones and a move to county by county harvest targets.

That is the scariest comment i have heard honestly.....not even a target idea as to what it should be...tryin to manage to a goal that has no known target.....wonderful

 

[Ohiosam]

That is the scariest comment i have heard honestly.....not even a target idea as to what it should be...tryin to manage to a goal that has no known target.....wonderful

I'm not sure a statewide target is a good thing. Say the # was 500,000, you could have 20 counties with 25,000 deer and meet your goal. Hopefully they have county or zone target populations.

 

[mrex]

Your area is not represenative of the whole state.

...and neither is yours or mine or anyone else on here.

 

[mrex]

I'm not sure a statewide target is a good thing. Say the # was 500,000, you could have 20 counties with 25,000 deer and meet your goal. Hopefully they have county or zone target populations.

It's broken down into regions within the zones. Technically, you could add it up and get a statewide number but it would change from year to year.

 

[tuffshot]

...and neither is yours or mine or anyone else on here.

Never said it was, that is the whole point isn't?

 

[Milo]

It's broken down into regions within the zones. Technically, you could add it up and get a statewide number but it would change from year to year.

it should not...how is that really possible? never seen the bag limits go down yet....maybe in the early 90's it may have but now in the last 15 years...up up ad away....i disagree sam whole heartedly....it that was the case each county would have a desired kill level ...but they don't...matter of fact management has never been that micromanaged and even if it was, they do not use the resources they have to effect the outcome in each county anyway. I'm seeing dart and weegie board management here..lets look at the facts.....They don't know how many deer there are...they don't count deer in urban environments.....and they don't know how many deer there are supposed to be.....not a lot of knowns here but we sure as hell know how many need killed in each area... WHAT? come on man... whats missing in the equation is the sportsman....you know those idiots that buy tags...:smiley_baby: WHAT are they really using to gauge what our herd sizes need to be? i gotta a hunch its not hunting related..

 

[Milo]

i was gonna edit the weegie/dart board comment but I'm not gonna do it...i will say that it is a poor way to express what i feel they are doing but i do have "some" confidence that they reasonably understand what they are doing. i do not however believe it is in our best interest or that sportsman play any more than a 5% role in the total equation. Nothing they have presented yet would signify that we should trust them especially with what is going on this year and the trend from last year. They have made comments that do not sit well with me as a sportsman and further divide my trust in their abilities

 

[Jackalope]

i was gonna edit the weegie/dart board comment but I'm not gonna do it...i will say that it is a poor way to express what i feel they are doing but i do have "some" confidence that they reasonably understand what they are doing. i do not however believe it is in our best interest or that sportsman play any more than a 5% role in the total equation. Nothing they have presented yet would signify that we should trust them especially with what is going on this year and the trend from last year. They have made comments that do not sit well with me as a sportsman and further divide my trust in their abilities

You mean Comments like this?????

OUR MANAGEMENT STRATEGY
The goal of Ohio’s deer program is to provide a deer population that maximizes recreational opportunity including viewing, photographing, and hunting while minimizing conflicts with agriculture, motor travel, and other areas of human endeavor. This has been our goal for over 40 years. Farmer attitude surveys are used to establish and update population goals for most counties. We believe these goals represent a reasonable compromise between interests with opposing opinions on appropriate deer population levels. Furthermore, although these goals are based on social values, the resulting populations have never exceeded the biological carrying capacity of the habitat. Deer herd condition data collected annually and through periodic studies confirm this. Our deer management goal ensures that Ohio’s deer herd is maintained at a level that is acceptable to most, and biologically sound. Maintaining the deer population at or near goal is accomplished through harvest management.