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Smooth bore trouble

Hedgelj

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I would think using rifled slugs out of a smooth bore would cause some issues. For one the bullet has wings to catch the rifling in a barrel to spin. With a smooth bore you don't have that and the bullet doesn't get the initial spin from the barrel. When that bullet leaves the barrel it just wobbles and has no consistency at all. With that smooth barrel I would go back to the old pumpkin ball style slug. Still might have some inconsistency because that's just the nature of the beast with smooth bore guns but probably not as bad as your getting now. That's just my thoughts on the thing. IDK lol.

Now that he has the rifled barrel he should be able to use the rifled slugs just fine. Just need to find a slug that flies the best. I always hated shooting slugs just because it gets expensive quick trying to find one that works the best. The slugs that worked the best for me was the Copper Solids but that was years ago and at the time they was still expensive at $8.00 a box but I think they are close to $20 for a box now lol. I also never worried about 3" slugs and just went with the 2-3/4" slugs. Even tried some of the low recoil slugs that did ok. Just need to try a few different brands and see what the gun likes and sometimes that's not what WE like lol.

Going to disagree here. Rifled slugs are the ones you WANT in a smoothbore NOT in a rifled barrel. The soft lead will build up in the rifling of the rifled barrel and eventually cause accuracy to degrade dramatically. You want a sabot in a rifled barrel to impart spin onto the bullet inside of the sabot. The "rifled" slugs don't do a whole bit as far as putting spin on the bullet.
 

Hedgelj

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Any time I've seen rifled slugs shot from a smooth bore barrel, they did crazy shit.

I believe you are mistaken. Remington sluggers, brenneke KOs, Winchester XXX are all Rifled slugs.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-46-shotgun-slugs-sabots-and-smooth-bore-barrels/
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475167

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
Foster type rifled slugs

The eventual solution to this problem was the Foster "rifled" slug. This is a short, blunt lead bullet that is solid in front and hollow in the rear, analogous to a badminton bird. And, like a shuttlecock, it is its weight forward balance that allows the Foster slug to fly through the air to its target with reasonable accuracy. Compared to lead balls, this was a big improvement in both accuracy and SD.

Heavy external "rifling" was cast into these Foster type slugs, allegedly to allow the air they flew through to impart a slow spin that would help stabilize the slug. Like most something for nothing schemes, the rifling proved ineffective, but it did provide some space for some compression if the slug had to squeeze through a tight choke. The name "rifled slug" stuck and is still in widespread use today.

Rifled slugs are offered by most of the major ammunition makers in a variety of shotgun gauges, including 12, 16, 20, and .410 bore. They used to be made under bore diameter to allow safe passage through any degree of choke, from full to cylinder. Cylinder bore guns are usually recommended for shooting slugs, but in some cases a full or modified choke barrel will give better accuracy with the undersize slugs.

This may not always hold true these days, however, as Remington advertises that their "Slugger" rifled slugs are made oversize for better sealing against the barrel wall and superior accuracy. Compared to rifle bullets, whose diameter is held to very strict tolerances, Foster type slugs are made to rather haphazard dimensions that vary from one manufacturer to another.
 

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No, I'm pretty sure I know what I saw. Some literature online wasn't shooting rifles slugs through smooth bore barrels. It was real people in real time right there in front of me and they all did wild shit. So I'm not mistaken by what I saw irregardles of what the internet says.
 

Hedgelj

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No, I'm pretty sure I know what I saw. Some literature online wasn't shooting rifles slugs through smooth bore barrels. It was real people in real time right there in front of me and they all did wild shit. So I'm not mistaken by what I saw irregardles of what the internet says.

I am not debating what you saw. I am debating that the term you are using may not be correct. Rifled slugs are the generic slugs designed for use in smoothbore barrels. Sabot slugs are the ones designed for rifled barrels/choke tubes.
 

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the picture says optimum performance in smooth bore barrels
 

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Hedgej is correct. Sabots are for rifled barrels and rifled slugs are for smoothbores. The choke of the barrel in a smoothbore shooting rifled slugs has the most to do with accuracy in most cases. Most short slug barrels are choked cylinder or improved cylinder to allow the rifled slug to rotate inside the barrel to increase stability.
 

bowhunter1023

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I'm just a dumb redneck. We shoot "pumpkin balls" and "rifled slugs". You shoot pumpkin balls from a smooth bore and rifled slugs in a rifled barrel. Looks like we're TOO dumb to know the proper terminology.
 

Hedgelj

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Hey if you all don't like to read the box no worries, heck I like looking at the pictures too but mainly those in the shed area ;)
 

bowhunter1023

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If you told me to grab a rifled slug, I'd grab a Copper Solid Sabot cause that's what I shoot from a rifled barrel. Tell me to grab a pumpkin ball and I'd grab a box of Sluggers. No need to read the box. Who reads the box?
 

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Punkin balls are no longer manufactured... Foster style slugs have been the mainstay of smooth bore shotguns for years, they are designed similar to a mini-ball with a hollow base....and "rifling" on the exterior. They were designed in an effort to impart spin to the projectile. They do not fly well from rifled barrels in most cases. In fact, they are horrible, since they were designed for smooth bores.
 

Hedgelj

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I have never heard them called pumkin balls before this thread. That's why I figured it wasn't a debate on what to use but what to call it.

Oh and I read the box.....guess I'm just a screwy CDO type A personality like that.
 

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Rifled slug-smooth bore, sabot-rifled barrel... And I used pumpkin balls when I was a kid lol... If you get technical they are foster style slugs.... But I'm old enough too understand what most mean by they're terminology.... It comes with old age lol....
 
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RedCloud

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I'm just a dumb redneck. We shoot "pumpkin balls" and "rifled slugs". You shoot pumpkin balls from a smooth bore and rifled slugs in a rifled barrel. Looks like we're TOO dumb to know the proper terminology.

I'm with you buddy.
I have sent sluggers down a couple smooth bore guns and I can show you the marks left in the barrel from them. I will never do it again. Brenneke slugs stink to high hell to or at least they did years ago when I tried them.
 

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Hmm, Brennekke is one of the preferred out of a smooth bore around my parts.

Smooth bore - rifled/foster

Rifled barrel - saboted slug

Slugger, generally out of a smooth bore do pretty well 2-3" group or so.

The biggest problem I see with folks shooting a smooth bore having issues is a bad cheek weld.
 

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I shoot the remington rifled slugs out of my smooth bore winchester and they shoot well. I was always under the impression that you didn't want to shoot rifled slugs from a rifled barrel due to the higher likely hood of lead deposits in the rifling.