Rumor Has it. No Ohio Baiting
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Jason Short
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Serious question here, what point are you trying to argue? I don't mean that in a sarcastic way like "what's your point". If it's just to show elitists that hunting over an apple tree, oak flat, etc. is no better than hunting over a pile of corn then I agree, to a point. I haven't been around this site long enough to know exactly what's going on with this "great bait debate" so I am genuinely curious.
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The argument of a corn pile is baiting but an oak flat isn't is about as silly as saying that bird is baiting but the dog isn't because the bird placed it there and the dog didn't. Do you think the fish are enticed somehow differently? Nope. Both are baiting by using the fishes enticement against itself.
The argument of a corn pile is baiting but an oak flat isn't is about as silly as saying that bird is baiting but the dog isn't because the bird placed it there and the dog didn't. Do you think the fish are enticed somehow differently? Nope. Both are baiting by using the fishes enticement against itself.
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I'm not trying to argue a specific point. Simply stating that a written law, or a persons personal belief, has little relevance on what baiting really is.
Pabowbender
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If they consider hunting under an oak tree that's dropping acorns, or an apple tree dropping apples as baiting, then everyone has to stop deer hunting completely. I say this because deer are browsers, they are constantly nipping at buds and twigs on small trees and bushes throughout the woods, so if you're hunting anywhere in the woods you must be baiting? Seriously, where does the line get drawn?
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at1010
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I don't think this is the case because all the natural browse is considered equal. There is no enticing element to one piece of woody browse vs the next. However if you found a single tree top that got struck by lightening and fell in the middle of a hard woods tall forest, then setup over top of it cause you noticed the deer were hammering the tree top, then yes that is using "bait" to hunt the deer.
This is not an argument of which one is right or wrong. This is simply stating a fact and keeping an open mind. I see Joes point 100%.
If they outlawed baiting I wouldn't care but you can see with Joes point how broad of a category baiting can be considered.
Im getting tired guys, but Ill keep going as long as I need too. hahaha
yep, and this has to be the most amusing interpretations of any word that I've come across in a long time. do I hunt over natural "bait" such as a primary scrape or on an Oak flat? yes, according to Joe I do, but since I didn't put said "bait" there, according to me and my Websters dictionary, I'm not baiting. Joe isn't going to convince me otherwise, but I'm not sure he can resist trying. lol..., NOW I'm baiting. lmao
at1010
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Who is this "they" you're talking about that would stop people from hunting completely? If you mean the men that write laws. "They" have zero say in an animals feelings of enticement. No law they pass could ever define or control that. It's for this reason "they" are largely irrelevant when it comes to defining baiting. They place legalities around baiting. They say what types of baiting is illegal. But "they" cannot dictate what is and isn't baiting. Only the animals actions can do that.
For your example on deer being a browser. I ask you, Is browsing as they go along being enticed to an area? I don't think so. The animals not being enticed in a manner that causes them to seek something out. Is traveling to a certain area to browse under a white oak that just started dropping enticement. You bet ya. That's bait. And by hunting it you're using that enticement to your advantage. I.e. Baiting.
And you are not alone. I'm game. I'll poke him a time or two more, then several others will join in. . . Bam. . . 3 more pages on the thread. :smiley_crocodile:
Just a personal preference I guess. I'd rather find travel corridors, trails to food sources, or a single producing oak tree than throw out a pile of corn. I DO throw apples in a pile on my property. They are the left over apples not worthy of cooking. They go to the rear of my property. There is a camera on them for inventory. It costs me nothing. I hunted this property twice last year. In this instance: It IS baiting. My point? I really don't care if you bait or not. I simply don't agree with every twig/bud/woody browse/scrape/estrous doe/etc is "baiting". Could it be considered a type of bait? Sure. So could a decoy in the field. I guess they should outlaw decoys and rattling antlers too then.
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This man gets it! The animals actions dictates what is and isn't bait. Your choice to hunt over it or not dictates if you are or aren't baiting.
And who are you to decide that for the animal?
Why is that animal choosing to go to that bait and not the neighbors bait?
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Putting it there yourself or not is irrelevant. Using the animals natural enticement to your advantage is what decides if you're baiting or not. An animal is enticed to acorns that fell from a tree or were dumped from a bucket the same.
Say I have an apple tree on my property. Suckers loaded. I hang a stand 20 yards down wind of it. By your definition I am not baiting as "I didn't put it there".
I go scoop up all the apples and place them 20 yards behind the same stand. By your definition I am now baiting.
See how silly that sounds. How irrelevant it is. Placed or not placed I am using an animals enticement against itself. I'm saying both is baiting. No one different from the other.
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Here's another one. I have a white oak on my property and hang a stand in it. The acorns start falling and I'm hunting that stand. By your definition I am not baiting.
Next time I go to hunt that stand I rake them all into one big pile and climb up in the same stand. Magically somehow I am now baiting according to your definition.
Plain silliness. Both is using an animals enticement to an item against it which is baiting.
Next time I go to hunt that stand I rake them all into one big pile and climb up in the same stand. Magically somehow I am now baiting according to your definition.
Plain silliness. Both is using an animals enticement to an item against it which is baiting.