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Rumor Has it. No Ohio Baiting

Jackalope

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First off......rotflmao Chad!

......and Mike, I agree with your post above. I honestly don't see baiting going away unless the ODNR is forced too due to CWD outbreaks. They've let it go on cuz it's been a huge factor in aiding hunters killing lots of deer which is what they wanted all along. Plus I don't see the FB or insurance companies letting them! Lol

Joe, how is a 20'x20' bait pile that's been maintained and replenished say once a week for an entire year,two or 5 years not a huge difference than a stand of oaks that some years during that same time period might have a great yield once or twice if that?

I agree they're both bait/food but hardly having the same drawing capabilities and influences in deer movement throughout the entire deer hunting season. Just my opinion.:smiley_coolpeace:

How is it different... Enticement.. The one constant factor... A buck is no more or less enticed to 20 does eating on a corn pile than 20 does on an oak flat.. If a hunter uses that enticement against said buck, the buck is effectively being bated. If the end is the same, the means doesn't matter.
 

Bigslam51

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Fixed it for you.
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finelyshedded

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The degree of enticement is not even close, IMO!

Yeah, running one red light is a crime as is mass murdering 100 people but not to the same degree......rotflmao
 

finelyshedded

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I do agree it's enticement though, any food,water or scent would be enticement! Women and men try to entice each other on a daily basis! It's what makes the world go round I guess! HAHAHA
 

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Joes not arguing levels of enticement. This is simply arguing for arguing but it does makes sense.

If it is enticing it's bait
If you're hunting over it, your hunting over bait.

I understand what everyone is saying but this is very much an argument you'd have in a sociology class or something. Joes winning too!
 

Jackalope

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Joes not arguing levels of enticement. This is simply arguing for arguing but it does makes sense.

If it is enticing it's bait
If you're hunting over it, your hunting over bait.

I understand what everyone is saying but this is very much an argument you'd have in a sociology class or something. Joes winning too!

I don't argue just to argue. lmao

But Precisely. If it's enticing a buck that buck is being baited... If someone is using that to their advantage, they are baiting said buck. It's completely irrelevant if they put the actual enticement there or not.

The buck is being baited and they're using that bait to the animals detriment, thus they're baiting.


Like the point i placed to Giles a while back... Defining baiting by placed or natural is failed logic.. Say I hang a stand over an apple tree and the apples naturally hit the ground.. By my opponents argument I'm not baiting... Now say I scoop those apples up in a sack and move them 10 yards from the tree and dump them out.. Now I'm somehow magically baiting because I placed them there.. My argument is, if you hunt there at all you're baiting because an animal is being enticed.
 

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I don't argue just to argue. lmao

But Precisely. If it's enticing a buck that buck is being baited... If someone is using that to their advantage, they are baiting said buck. It's completely irrelevant if they put the actual enticement there or not.

The buck is being baited and they're using that bait to the animals detriment, thus they're baiting.


Like the point i placed to Giles a while back... Defining baiting by placed or natural is failed logic.. Say I hang a stand over an apple tree and the apples naturally hit the ground.. By my opponents argument I'm not baiting... Now say I scoop those apples up in a sack and move them 10 yards from the tree and dump them out.. Now I'm somehow magically baiting because I placed them there.. My argument is, if you hunt there at all you're baiting because an animal is being enticed.

But the actual hunting is in finding the apple tree at the right time, when deer are utilizing those fallen apples. Knowing when a scrape line is active, that's hunting. Sitting in a tree waiting, whether over a corn pile or the scrape line isn't even the hunting part of the thing... it's just the waiting to see if what you found while actively hunting still holds true. Sitting over a pile of corn or apples is just not the same as hunting an area deer naturally move through. It's still fun, but it isn't the same.

Where Phil's son killed his deer last year is a good example. It was in a funnel. That funnel would not even be noticed by a person that had spent their whole life hunting over a pile of corn. The boy shot his deer while it ate an apple, but those deer came through there the same time every morning if there were apples there or not, I just put the apples there so Garrett would have a standing shot. Heck, my nephew and Townzen both shot deer from that stand and there wasn't a speck of bait there to hold a deer's interest. I can tell you, when I found that funnel, I knew that would be a spot to kill deer as long as deer live on that property. This January I started a cornpile 1/2 mile from that funnel, in a fencerow where deer sometimes traveled. I picked that spot simply because it is easy to drive a truck to, making corn dumping easier. It suddenly became a pretty hot spot. It sure didn't feel as good as finding that natural funnel did, but I did see a bunch of deer there.
 

brock ratcliff

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Oh yeah... If baiting is ever made illegal in Ohio, there will not be many hardy fools out hunting after the first of January. It's tough. I did it for years, and had some great hunts. But some years, you just do not have access to the food sources the deer are using, and at that time of year they will go to the food where ever it may be.
 

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Oh yeah... If baiting is ever made illegal in Ohio, there will not be many hardy fools out hunting after the first of January. It's tough. I did it for years, and had some great hunts. But some years, you just do not have access to the food sources the deer are using, and at that time of year they will go to the food where ever it may be.
I totally agree with this!
 

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I might add, I would have to believe that the Indians back in the day used bait of some sort to kill their prey? It's called Hunter instinct I my opinion. It's that or go hungry! Lol
 

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I will not enter into debate with Joe. I will simply state: I see your point. I disagree.

Brock described that funnel to me several times before we hunted it. Holy cow! That is a serious funnel.
 

Jackalope

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I will not enter into debate with Joe. I will simply state: I see your point. I disagree.

Brock described that funnel to me several times before we hunted it. Holy cow! That is a serious funnel.

People can disagree. This doesn't change the fact that we take advantage of an animals enticement in many different ways. We get to define the legality of baiting. Mans laws do not get to dictate an animals natural draw to baits be it a like of corn or a pile of does.

What I don't understand is how people think dumping a pile of corn and hunting a funnel to it is baiting. But hunting a funnel to a field of planted corn isn't baiting.

Hunting a pile if apples I dumped is baiting. But hunting a pile of apples from a tree I played isn't baiting.

Hunting a corn field planet for AG isn't baiting. Hunting a 1/4 acre of corn I planted for deer isn't baiting. But hunting a pile of corn I dumped out is baiting.

The problem is people are trying to define baiting by how the law defines baiting and giving zero consideration to what baiting actually is. To define what baiting really is we have to look at the actions of the animal and our action to use that to out advantage. Laws don't define nature.

Funny how that works though. People let laws define what they consider moral or right. For example there are those here who say minerals aren't baiting. The people of Other states would likely call you a baiter as their laws define minerals as such.

And it even changes by species. Turkeys vs deer. To define baiting we need to remove the human person opinion and look at the animals actions. This if they're enticed and you're using that to your advantage, you're baiting that animal.