We have been the topic of conversation, thought ya'll would enjoy!

[finelyshedded]

I agree with ya Joe!

I really don't have an issue with NR at all, hell I've been one before!

I have just continued to not understand the reason for price increases. Again for all the reasons I have listed above. Business wise, doesn't make any sense to me.

I will tell you one, if anything to just match the other big buck destination states. Hell, people drive 5-10 miles out of their way to save .10 per gal of gas these days! They go to garage sales trying to lowball practically new kid clothes from $2 to $1 and bitch if the seller doesn't budge! I've always found if someone wants something bad enough they'll pay whatever it takes to get it.
Plus, Ohio has much less available land as other states due to the large cities surrounded by hundreds of small communities so increasing the licenses would help curtail the influx of NR into our state to chase deer. Too many is a bad thing and I think it's tilted too far that way right now and we need to balance it out. I have no problem sharing our state with NR as I might like to visit their state sometime in the future if life allows me too.

Right now as it stands, hunting Ohio is a unbelievable bargain and it's crowded the deer woods in many areas and it's time to put Ohio right up there with Iowa,Illinois and other big buck states as far as cost. Just my opinion.

 

[Bigcountry40]

I will tell you one, if anything to just match the other big buck destination states. Hell, people drive 5-10 miles out of their way to save .10 per gal of gas these days! They go to garage sales trying to lowball practically new kid clothes from $2 to $1 and bitch if the seller doesn't budge! I've always found if someone wants something bad enough they'll pay whatever it takes to get it.
Plus, Ohio has much less available land as other states due to the large cities surrounded by hundreds of small communities so increasing the licenses would help curtail the influx of NR into our state to chase deer. Too many is a bad thing and I think it's tilted too far that way right now and we need to balance it out. I have no problem sharing our state with NR as I might like to visit their state sometime in the future if life allows me too.

Right now as it stands, hunting Ohio is a unbelievable bargain and it's crowded the deer woods in many areas and it's time to put Ohio right up there with Iowa,Illinois and other big buck states as far as cost. Just my opinion.

exactly how I feel about the entire situation

 

[Bigcountry40]

It's quite simple really. Ohio can't continue to welcome hunters from every lesser state within 1000 miles and expect to maintain better hunting. It's not possible. The only thing that unhindered influx will do is lower the quality of hunting to a level equal to the states they come from.

For example let's sat hunting everywhere in ohio sucks except for Wayne national forrest. That's the best place by far in the state to hunt. Hunters from across the state start flicking to WNF to hunt. It's not going to take long before WNF is no better than the rest of the state.

While I don't have personal issues with NR we absolutely charge them a premium to hunt in ohio. Do like Arizona does and go to a draw system for a buck tag. $150 license fee, $10 to enter the lottery, $100 tag fee if you're drawn. Must purchase a license to enter the lottery. That would raise fees to maintain the revenue from lost applicants, generate new fees for application, and limit the number of hunters.

Also agree with your approach as well, Ohio is just to easy to hunt in right now. Any Joe blow can literally just drive up the week of the rut from another state and buy a license and be in the woods 20 minutes after. If you wanna sleep with me, at least take me out, buy me dinner/drinks and a movie. Ohio is everybodys whore!!!

 

[Fletch]

:smiley_cry: :smiley_cry: Ok that does it.... I'm taking my ball and going home. You guys just don't love us non-residents. LOL

There really is not an easy fix for this issue.. Everyone is quick to point the finger at non-residents for: the loss of hunting land, the diminishing deer herd... But is it really just the non-residents???

First off: I see 3 non-residents commenting on raising the non-resident hunting license.. ALL THREE AGREE THAT ITS LONG OVER DUE... RAISE IT !!!!

Second: As Rick stated: Large cities and hundreds of small communities have contributed to much less open land available for hunter's. With these large cities I wonder how many residents of Ohio who reside in them flock to open land to hunt every year?? And I'm sure some of them even lease land.. OMG.. I said that bad word: LEASE.. LOL So as you can see its not only the influx of non-residents that contribute to the loss of land.

Third: I'll bet there are several on this site that shoot nice deer on a regular basis. Once word get's out to the locals, you find more and more hunters sneaking into your honey hole or trying hard to get permission on neighboring properties and soon your surrounded by piles of yellow stuff (not going to say that word). In no time your honey hole is dried up. Is this the fault of someone living 400 miles away... I somehow don't think so.

Fourth: How much land in Ohio is being lost to fracking? I talked to a guy the other day that hunted on a piece in Ohio that was loaded with deer until they started fracking on a neighboring farm. All the activity drove the deer off his farm.

Last but not least: I have a contact in Eastern Ohio that knows a lot of farmers. Talked to him last month and he said to come out and he'll set me up with a few farms to hunt. I'm waiting till he slows down or is done planting his crops to go out. Now is a very busy time for him. Am I going to lease this land??? NO!!!! Not trying to push someone out of their hunting spot, just looking to hang my hat for a week in bow season and maybe a day or two of gun if needed.. And I won't put a dent in the deer herd, as I've NEVER killed a doe and I won't shoot a buck unless hes 140ish or better. And as I get to know more guys on this site, I'll probably ask a few to join me hunting when I'm out there. Imagine that: A non-resident taking a resident hunting????

Watching CNN the other night I thought of Ohio resident hunters and non-resident hunter's and had to chuckle

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...29EE01A55E9532CBA9BA29EE01A55E9532C&FORM=VIRE

 

[Fletch]

Also agree with your approach as well, Ohio is just to easy to hunt in right now. Any Joe blow can literally just drive up the week of the rut from another state and buy a license and be in the woods 20 minutes after. If you wanna sleep with me, at least take me out, buy me dinner/drinks and a movie. Ohio is everybodys whore!!!

Big.... Gotta ask you ... You like TOP or BOTTOM..... LOL

 

[Bigcountry40]

Big.... Gotta ask you ... You like TOP or BOTTOM..... LOL

depends on how many mike's hard lemonades you buy me!

 

[Fletch]

depends on how many mike's hard lemonades you buy me!

Those lemonades go down way TOO easy.. Was working out side in the yard a week or two ago and made a beer run. I thought lets try something else, so I bought them. They were gone in no time... Going to have to get them again on a hot summer day as they hit the spot....

 

[joejoe8]

I'm not sure what the best solution is, but I hope is doesn't go to a draw state.

 

[Bigslam51]

Those lemonades go down way TOO easy.. Was working out side in the yard a week or two ago and made a beer run. I thought lets try something else, so I bought them. They were gone in no time... Going to have to get them again on a hot summer day as they hit the spot....

 

[Dustinb80]

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lmao

 

[Fletch]

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But I still prefer a cold German beer... I used TOO drink a lot of Becks, but then Bud bought them out and they started brewing it in Missouri. How can you brew German beer in Missouri?? So my go to now is Saint Pauli Girl.. That reminds me. Have to go get some for tonights Penquin game..

 

[finelyshedded]

:smiley_cry: :smiley_cry: Ok that does it.... I'm taking my ball and going home. You guys just don't love us non-residents. LOL

There really is not an easy fix for this issue.. Everyone is quick to point the finger at non-residents for: the loss of hunting land, the diminishing deer herd... But is it really just the non-residents???

First off: I see 3 non-residents commenting on raising the non-resident hunting license.. ALL THREE AGREE THAT ITS LONG OVER DUE... RAISE IT !!!!

Second: As Rick stated: Large cities and hundreds of small communities have contributed to much less open land available for hunter's. With these large cities I wonder how many residents of Ohio who reside in them flock to open land to hunt every year?? And I'm sure some of them even lease land.. OMG.. I said that bad word: LEASE.. LOL So as you can see its not only the influx of non-residents that contribute to the loss of land.

Third: I'll bet there are several on this site that shoot nice deer on a regular basis. Once word get's out to the locals, you find more and more hunters sneaking into your honey hole or trying hard to get permission on neighboring properties and soon your surrounded by piles of yellow stuff (not going to say that word). In no time your honey hole is dried up. Is this the fault of someone living 400 miles away... I somehow don't think so.

Fourth: How much land in Ohio is being lost to fracking? I talked to a guy the other day that hunted on a piece in Ohio that was loaded with deer until they started fracking on a neighboring farm. All the activity drove the deer off his farm.

Last but not least: I have a contact in Eastern Ohio that knows a lot of farmers. Talked to him last month and he said to come out and he'll set me up with a few farms to hunt. I'm waiting till he slows down or is done planting his crops to go out. Now is a very busy time for him. Am I going to lease this land??? NO!!!! Not trying to push someone out of their hunting spot, just looking to hang my hat for a week in bow season and maybe a day or two of gun if needed.. And I won't put a dent in the deer herd, as I've NEVER killed a doe and I won't shoot a buck unless hes 140ish or better. And as I get to know more guys on this site, I'll probably ask a few to join me hunting when I'm out there. Imagine that: A non-resident taking a resident hunting????

Watching CNN the other night I thought of Ohio resident hunters and non-resident hunter's and had to chuckle

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...29EE01A55E9532CBA9BA29EE01A55E9532C&FORM=VIRE

Lmao on the War-music video Rich!

I totally agree that it's not entirely a NR issue! The leasing has gotten way outta hand and we residents are leasing just like the out of staters but these days if you don't lease someone else will. So it's bitch and moan and get left behind or break down and start paying. Today, in these financially tougher times, farmers and corporations owning huge tracts of land are using the option to leasing their land out to any hunters both local or out of state for some extra coin and I can't blame em. Nearly all of us would do the same but there are a few out there like your contact over in the eastern part of the state that don't seem to need to for whatever reason. That is AWESOME! I hope it gives you and whomever else who's hunting there a great place to chase big whiteltails and get away from the hustle and bustle.


As I said earlier, I have no problem with NR's coming here to hunt or fish as it wouldn't be right if I travelled out of state doing the same. I hope to be able to do that someday. You and several other NR members here on TOO come off as being great guys and are solid contributors here. I think most guys here would agree and will eventually come around to thinking that as well the longer y'all hang around and they get to know ya!


Alright, group hug....:smiley_coolpeace:


Hey Mike, we need a few handies over here!!! ickle:

 

[giles]

Ohio needs to take care of what it has and I don't feel like they are at this point. It's a free for all with very limited regs to slow it down.

I have no idea what prices will do to help. Maybe hire more people to enforce a lottery system? Maybe supply some money to help create habitat? Possibly even help with purchasing more public land?

 

[Fletch]

Rick... Same farmer that I'm going to see, set me up couple years back on a farm in Jefferson County. When I met the land owner she said there were several guys that hunted it and asked if this would be a problem? She said she was thinking about leasing it and wanted TOO know if I was interested and I would have sole permission to hunt. I told her that I didn't want to kick anyone off. I later bumped into the guy's one weekend and they seemed pretty nice. Next year I stopped back in and was told NO... She leased it to same guys and they told her not to give anyone else permission. So I was on the outside looking in... LOL

P.S. Rick, you know your always welcome to come to Jersey for bears, while we have them.... I'll fix you up with a spot... And you know from the pics we have some Big Ones... No deer though (lousy non-residents cleaned them up) .

 

[at1010]

This discussion has swayed a bit off topic. I again don't think this is a discussion against non residents. This is simply a discussion about how the state of Ohio should benefit from increasing NR costs.

As many others have said. If you have a premier wigit and in the industry that wigits are sold all the premier ones are being sold for $300, why would you then go and sell your wigit for $100. You could argue that you would sell more overall wigits but in order to keep up with the competition you'd need to sell significantly more. If you believe in said wigit product, then you sell it for a premium.

When you sell something for a premium, you typically get loyal, repeat, premium customers.

Hence why when the NR on this site are asked about increased license fees they are more than willing to pay. They are good guys, who love to hunt Ohio! However, by increasing the license fees for NR you are promoting more financial gain for the state and taking Ohio from a Golden Corral, to a Mortons Steak house.

PS: We can start an entire separate discussion on the increasing resident fees, tag costs, etc. Which I am surprised we haven't as we have reduced the total tags being bought by most people with only allowing 2 deer per county. I would think that would hurt the revenue of the ODNR.

ok I am spent. hope this makes some logical sense.

 

[bowhunter1023]

I haven't weighed in yet simply because my thoughts on this are pretty well known. I have said for years that Ohio under values our natural resources. Both domestically, and outside our borders. Mercedes ain't cheap. Want one? Pay up...

 

[at1010]

I haven't weighed in yet simply because my thoughts on this are pretty well known. I have said for years that Ohio under values our natural resources. Both domestically, and outside our borders. Mercedes ain't cheap. Want one? Pay up...

Welp, skip my response and just real Jesse cliff note version hahahha. Exactly

 

[bowhunter1023]

Also understand that I want to see an increase in hopes the additional revenue goes in to a land acquisition/maintenance specific fund so that we can keep what is one of the nicest systems of public access lands in the country. It's a win-win for all if handled properly.

 

[giles]

Also understand that I want to see an increase in hopes the additional revenue goes in to a land acquisition/maintenance specific fund so that we can keep what is one of the nicest systems of public access lands in the country. It's a win-win for all if handled properly.

That is what I'm saying. I'm all for an increase across the board, but I'm going to want to see what my increase is going towards. And from what I've been told, this is exactly why it keeps getting shot down when it goes to vote. ODNR isn't giving a good enough reason for a raise. They are trying to get a raise approved though.

 

[antiqucycle]

I think its time the state cracks down on income fax collection on property leasing just like apartment rentals. If a landowner leases for hunting, the hunters should be forced to issue a 1099 for the amount of the lease so the pers0n getting rich pays federal and state income tax. I doubt anyone pays taxes on the lease money they collect. A state law requiring those who pay a lease should require a $5mm dollar liability policy in case they shoot toward other property.