We have been the topic of conversation, thought ya'll would enjoy!

[Fletch]

Brock...Sounds like a call to this COs supervisor is in order. Perhaps the CO and guy on the quad are friends.

 

[motorbreaker]

In the area I hunt outfitters have been getting with land owners and offering $30+ an acre for hunting property. My buddies are proly going to loose there 190 acres to outfitters this year. They are paying 23.50 per acre for the lease. The owner said he was offered a lot more from an outfitter but said they could stay if they match what the outfitter offered.
If the NR license fee increased 100% it would not stop me from hunting Ohio.
And as far as the money we spend in the local economy, It adds up. We have bought guns, ammo, gas, propane, food, beer, lumber, tree stands, archery supplies, minerals, rocks, and everything else we need for camp or for the hunt. It all adds up.
And like a lot of you guys we could loose our hunting property at anytime. There is no guarantee we will have a place to hunt next year.

 

[at1010]

In the area I hunt outfitters have been getting with land owners and offering $30+ an acre for hunting property. My buddies are proly going to loose there 190 acres to outfitters this year. They are paying 23.50 per acre for the lease. The owner said he was offered a lot more from an outfitter but said they could stay if they match what the outfitter offered.
If the NR license fee increased 100% it would not stop me from hunting Ohio.
And as far as the money we spend in the local economy, It adds up. We have bought guns, ammo, gas, propane, food, beer, lumber, tree stands, archery supplies, minerals, rocks, and everything else we need for camp or for the hunt. It all adds up.
And like a lot of you guys we could loose our hunting property at anytime. There is no guarantee we will have a place to hunt next year.

Ok so you'd continue to hunt Ohio with increased license fees? You'd still buy all your stuff you listed above here when you come to here to hunt?

 

[Fletch]

Ok so you'd continue to hunt Ohio with increased license fees? You'd still buy all your stuff you listed above here when you come to here to hunt?

At... I agree with motorbreaker.... Double the non-resident fee.. I'd pay it and still come to Ohio.. I currently pay over $700.00 for my Illinois archery and gun tag's... So Ohio would be a steal at $300.00... As far as the economy goes??? To the person that said non-residents don't contribute to the local economy, this is furthest from the truth. Lodging,Food,Gas, and many other things add up quick. Call a local motel in a prime hunting area in November and try and get room's.. And when I go on a hunting trip I always shop in local stores while there. Everything from hunting supplies,food, and always something to bring home to the grandkids.. Even though I could buy it cheaper at home, I feel like supporting the local Mom and Pop store. Last time I hunted in Athen's we ate at the Applebe's every night. I think we were there 10 day's, and I don't skimp when it comes to food. One night there were about 10 guy's there from New England, we found them there and left them there.. I definitely wouldn't have wanted to pick up that tab. That was a nice area.. Maybe get back there this year for a few days in archery season as I may have another spot to hunt there. But yes... Double the fee.. Always funds in the budget for hunting...

 

[at1010]

At... I agree with motorbreaker.... Double the non-resident fee.. I'd pay it and still come to Ohio.. I currently pay over $700.00 for my Illinois archery and gun tag's... So Ohio would be a steal at $300.00... As far as the economy goes??? To the person that said non-residents don't contribute to the local economy, this is furthest from the truth. Lodging,Food,Gas, and many other things add up quick. Call a local motel in a prime hunting area in November and try and get room's.. And when I go on a hunting trip I always shop in local stores while there. Everything from hunting supplies,food, and always something to bring home to the grandkids.. Even though I could buy it cheaper at home, I feel like supporting the local Mom and Pop store. Last time I hunted in Athen's we ate at the Applebe's every night. I think we were there 10 day's, and I don't skimp when it comes to food. One night there were about 10 guy's there from New England, we found them there and left them there.. I definitely wouldn't have wanted to pick up that tab. That was a nice area.. Maybe get back there this year for a few days in archery season as I

Lets talk economics of SE Ohio to you and let me point a few things.....

1. You were hunting Athens County, if you are staying in Athens try getting a hotel anytime, its a bitch. Why? It has a major university there. Athens county does not need any money from out of state hunters. Unless the mom and pops you are supporting are in Guysville, Stewart, Coolville, Shade, etc. No mostl probably the Walmart East State and Krogers on East State.

2. Lets look at other places. Cambridge is a good example. Sure the influx of money during the season is nice but it didn't change that economy at all. If anything in the last 10 years Cambridge had gotten more depressed. What did help the local economy was the gas/oil boom, that moved mountains if you will as far as pumping money into the local economy. Until that boom I hadn't seen this mass amount of money dumping into Cambridge bring one new hotel, motel, etc. Although a TON of out of staters are hunting Salt Fork every year.

I had mentioned that NR hunters don't make a significant impact on the local economy, and I am staying to that. It is brought up all the time like they are really having some type of major influence, it simply isn't.

Now lets talk about increasing the NR license fees to $300 or even $500 for NR. Would you still come to Ohio? Would you still buy your local food here? In a % what % of NR hunters to you think we would lose due to the increase in price? Unless we are going to lose more than 50% participation from NRs and they are going to 100% stop spending money in our state, I see this as a win win plan for Ohio.

 

[motorbreaker]

Ok so you'd continue to hunt Ohio with increased license fees? You'd still buy all your stuff you listed above here when you come to here to hunt?

I would pay higher license fees to hunt Ohio. But some people who are haters and want the NR fees to increase over 100% are just haters.

 

[at1010]

I would pay higher license fees to hunt Ohio. But some people who are haters and want the NR fees to increase over 100% are just haters.

I have argued to raise it higher for several reason.

1. When was the last time we had a price increase? In what industry in the world do you not have a 5 to 8% price increase yearly?
2. Increasing it over 100% might seem like a ton but unless we truly lost a large % of NR, we be in the same boat or better for dollars into the state.

If Ohios hunting is so great than its damn worth it. Again, Iowa does a draw system.

 

[Fletch]

I have argued to raise it higher for several reason.

1. When was the last time we had a price increase? In what industry in the world do you not have a 5 to 8% price increase yearly?
2. Increasing it over 100% might seem like a ton but unless we truly lost a large % of NR, we be in the same boat or better for dollars into the state.

If Ohios hunting is so great than its damn worth it. Again, Iowa does a draw system.

At... Motorbreaker is 100% spot on about some just being haters when it comes to non-resident hunter's... I don't think your concerned about increasing the cost of a non-resident license for the betterment of Ohio's resource's.. Plain and simple you have a hard on for non-residents hunting your deer.. ADMIT IT.. I said I was ok with doubling the fee to $300 and you came back with $500... A little greedy, don't you think? Yet I don't see you mentioning a rate increase across the board for BOTH resident and non-residents.

 

[at1010]

At... Motorbreaker is 100% spot on about some just being haters when it comes to non-resident hunter's... I don't think your concerned about increasing the cost of a non-resident license for the betterment of Ohio's resource's.. Plain and simple you have a hard on for non-residents hunting your deer.. ADMIT IT.. I said I was ok with doubling the fee to $300 and you came back with $500... A little greedy, don't you think? Yet I don't see you mentioning a rate increase across the board for BOTH resident and non-residents.

Haha I am simply discussing business principals. It would 100 percent be applied to the resident licenses as well. We weren't discussing that portion. I hunt and live and own my own land so it don't bother me at all. I can tell you I've had nr hunt near me and I've been nothing but nice to them. I have tried to help them out. I have 0 issue with NR. Again simply making a business point.

Don't make assumptions about the discussion. You know how the saying goes about making assumptions right?

Ps. I've been an out of stater before and came home to hunt Ohio. I'd been happy to pay more pal.

 

[hickslawns]

At... Motorbreaker is 100% spot on about some just being haters when it comes to non-resident hunter's... I don't think your concerned about increasing the cost of a non-resident license for the betterment of Ohio's resource's.. Plain and simple you have a hard on for non-residents hunting your deer.. ADMIT IT.. I said I was ok with doubling the fee to $300 and you came back with $500... A little greedy, don't you think? Yet I don't see you mentioning a rate increase across the board for BOTH resident and non-residents.

There are some who are haters. I don't see at1010 being one of them. I agree though. Some will complain if you hand them a winning lottery ticket.

Personally, I see the benefit of additional revenue coming into the state. I believe our NR fees are overly fair. $125 for a license and $24 for a tag is dirt cheap for a resident or NR. Bumping our NR fees to match what your state would charge an Ohio hunter seems fair to me. If it cost me $400 to hunt your state, you should pay $400 to hunt ours. If it cost $200 for me to hunt your state, then $200 it is for you. Let's be honest, it doesn't seem as if the ODNR has any logic behind many of their decisions anyway. Mirroring another state might help them, or maybe not. I don't know.

 

[at1010]

There are some who are haters. I don't see at1010 being one of them. I agree though. Some will complain if you hand them a winning lottery ticket.

Personally, I see the benefit of additional revenue coming into the state. I believe our NR fees are overly fair. $125 for a license and $24 for a tag is dirt cheap for a resident or NR. Bumping our NR fees to match what your state would charge an Ohio hunter seems fair to me. If it cost me $400 to hunt your state, you should pay $400 to hunt ours. If it cost $200 for me to hunt your state, then $200 it is for you. Let's be honest, it doesn't seem as if the ODNR has any logic behind many of their decisions anyway. Mirroring another state might help them, or maybe not. I don't know.

thanks Phil, I am deff not a "hater". I simply think that our licenses fees make 0 business sense.

Ohio is arguably the best state in the country for deer.
We have very low NR costs and the reason?? No one fucking knows.

I make an educated business argument as to why it should be raised, and I get called a hater. hahaha

 

[Fletch]

AT. Id still buy you a beer or two or three... I can fu


At... I would still buy you lunch and a few beers. So no bad feelings here. Possibly a misunderstanding.

 

[Fletch]

Hick's... Real quick... As I have to go cut my grass as there is a break in the rain. And you know how much fun it is to cut wet grass... LOL

Are reciprocal license fees really the answer?? Look to the East of Ohio to Pennsylvania. They are way overdue for an increase. I believe last years license fee was $101.70 for a non-resident...look further East to my state of New Jersey, its 135.50 for a non-resident gun license and the archery license is another fee. So Ohio would lose money if fees were reciprocal, when dealing with these two states..
So where do you draw the line? Where do you reach a happy medium? I say just bump the fees up a little. I think we all know Ohio is not going to double the fee of a non-resident hunting license for fear of losing revenue. Example would be Illinois. A few years back they raised the non-resident fees considerably. Before that deer tags went on sale a certain day, and you better be prepared to sit on the phone all day if you wanted a tag. They were ALL SOLD OUT IN A DAY AND A HALF. Then they raised the fees big time and went to a lottery. Now they NEVER SELL OUT... Permits are left over every year. In comes an outbreak of EHD and depleats the deer herd.. Now they are in a real pickle.. No easy answer.

 

[at1010]

Honestly it's supply and demand again. If our demand is that high then a price increase will not alter overal revnue increases.

I don't agree with the recriprocal license because your not trading equals.

I don't know the "industry well enough but I am sure the ODNR could use examples like Illinois that you have above to find a happy medium.

Every other industry on the plant works this way, why not Ohio hunting.

Also no hard feelings buddy!

 

[giles]

I would gladly pay more money if the money was turned back into managing the land we have and getting more land. Ohio is very low on the amount of huntable public land. I think this also has a lot to do with leasing becoming more and more popular in Ohio. Until that happens, I don't see anyone paying more for the same thing. That doesn't make any sense to me. You could also argue that the price should drop because the deer population has dropped... Supply and demand argument doesn't work for me.

 

[at1010]

I would gladly pay more money if the money was turned back into managing the land we have and getting more land. Ohio is very low on the amount of huntable public land. I think this also has a lot to do with leasing becoming more and more popular in Ohio. Until that happens, I don't see anyone paying more for the same thing. That doesn't make any sense to me. You could also argue that the price should drop because the deer population has dropped... Supply and demand argument doesn't work for me.

No arguing supply of deer. The argument is referring to the number of nr wanting to hunt Ohio. It's has increased. Therefore our price should increase.

 

[joejoe8]

As a Nr I really wish they would rise it 500%! Because I would still pay it an would have less people to dill with on public land. But I'm very greedy!!!! All joking aside I would be fine if Dnr raised it. But they will still be people complaining about Nr's. Either we are leases all the private land or over crowding the public land.

 

[giles]

As a Nr I really wish they would rise it 500%! Because I would still pay it an would have less people to dill with on public land. But I'm very greedy!!!! All joking aside I would be fine if Dnr raised it. But they will still be people complaining about Nr's. Either we are leases all the private land or over crowding the public land.

$750 isn't all that bad... IF the money was put towards the resource.

 

[at1010]

I agree with ya Joe!

I really don't have an issue with NR at all, hell I've been one before!

I have just continued to not understand the reason for price increases. Again for all the reasons I have listed above. Business wise, doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Jackalope]

It's quite simple really. Ohio can't continue to welcome hunters from every lesser state within 1000 miles and expect to maintain better hunting. It's not possible. The only thing that unhindered influx will do is lower the quality of hunting to a level equal to the states they come from.

For example let's sat hunting everywhere in ohio sucks except for Wayne national forrest. That's the best place by far in the state to hunt. Hunters from across the state start flicking to WNF to hunt. It's not going to take long before WNF is no better than the rest of the state.

While I don't have personal issues with NR we absolutely charge them a premium to hunt in ohio. Do like Arizona does and go to a draw system for a buck tag. $150 license fee, $10 to enter the lottery, $100 tag fee if you're drawn. Must purchase a license to enter the lottery. That would raise fees to maintain the revenue from lost applicants, generate new fees for application, and limit the number of hunters.