Youth hunters

[Jackalope]

In all seriousness the rich upper class people are the future to our sport and gun interest, hunting land is in limited supply and simple supply and demand determines price and opportunity. Basically what I am saying is opportunities to hunt are going to continue to diminish greatly because of several land consumption variables. Land conservation is a much greater necessity than keeping children interested in hunting. Hunting is as popular or more popular than ever (Southern States ,Middle West and Rural States), youth season elimination would not lead to the end of hunting, the access to hunting ground with reasonable harvest/sighting expectation without bumping into a crossbow hunter or someone in orange every 50 yards will cause the end of hunting popularity. I know I have a very pessimistic point of view, but introducing kids into hunting that really have no land access or family/close friend network is pointless and counter productive for the rest of us. Hunting is a cut throat money sport, I have absolutely no problem admitting it and see what the future really looks like. I am personally not cut throat and enjoy the fellowship of christian men coming together as much as anyone, I just think we are closer than we think to basically the general population of hunters "fighting over the scraps" and the taking almost all reasonable enjoyment out of the sport.

I dont disagree with you that money is the future of the sport. Between doctors, lawyers, and insurance agents buying up land in the country, people leasing, and more and more landowners wanting more than just help around the farm access is becoming increasingly scarce. And the farmers who will let you hunt have a swinging dick in every tree.

That's reality. It's going to happen wether we like it or not. As soon as it warms up I'm going to be banging on more doors than a Mormon missionary. Not to ask permission. But to sign lease agreements that I'm going to sublease. It's going to happen anyway and somebody is going to make money. Why let it be Basecamp and mossy oak.

 

[Bigcountry40]

I dont disagree with you that money is the future of the sport. Between doctors, lawyers, and insurance agents buying up land in the country, people leasing, and more and more landowners wanting more than just help around the farm access is becoming increasingly scarce. And the farmers who will let you hunt have a swinging dick in every tree.

That's reality. It's going to happen wether we like it or not. As soon as it warms up I'm going to be banging on more doors than a Mormon missionary. Not to ask permission. But to sign lease agreements that I'm going to sublease. It's going to happen anyway and somebody is going to make money. Why let it be Basecamp and mossy oak.

I have no problem with this, I would rather see you make money than the companies you listed! I'm just glad someone else truly understands what hunting is, I think we use youth hunts to mask the sports true identity and we like to think thats what it is all about. Maybe its because we both lived in the south!

 

[Bigslam51]

I have no problem with this, I would rather see you make money than the companies you listed! I'm just glad someone else truly understands what hunting is, I think we use youth hunts to mask the sports true identity and we like to think thats what it is all about. Maybe its because we both lived in the south!

So what is the true identity of hunting, in your opinion?

 

[giles]

That doesn't make you any better, Joe. Makes you part of the problem. I couldn't do it, goes against everything I stand for. That ain't me...

 

[Bigcountry40]

So what is the true identity of hunting, in your opinion?

Not really, I like the fellowship and brotherhood as well the opportunitty to successfully harvest an animal. If I didnt feel this way, I wouldnt talk or hang out with you assholes. I have been playing devils advocate to certain extent, but I really do not like youth season, for a variety of reasons I have listed and I have young kids.

 

[Bigslam51]

That doesn't make you any better, Joe. Makes you part of the problem. I couldn't do it, goes against everything I stand for. That ain't me...

X2.

 

[Bigcountry40]

That doesn't make you any better, Joe. Makes you part of the problem. I couldn't do it, goes against everything I stand for. That ain't me...

Its a vicious Dave and Tall Chad, I showed a teenage boy the ropes like 10 years ago, in the area I hunt in Tusc County and now he is trying to steal my lease and bring down his group. I promise you, all I did was be nice and set him in sweet spots.

 

[giles]

Its a vicious Dave and Tall Chad, I showed a teenage boy the ropes like 10 years ago, in the area I hunt in Tusc County and now he is trying to steal my lease and bring down his group. I promise you, all I did was be nice and set him in sweet spots.

Then I'd say he needs to be sat down and talked to over a few beers. No need to fuck everyone and speed up the rich man sport.

 

[Bigcountry40]

Then I'd say he needs to be sat down and talked to over a few beers. No need to fuck everyone and speed up the rich man sport.

That works for people like you and I because we have truth, honesty and respect for others, I do agree with every thing you and Tall Chad are saying, I truly value fellowship and sharing the culture with others, I am doing a trade a hunt with the guy that started this thread. I guess I am just focusing on the negative aspects to make a few points in this thread.

 

[giles]

That works for people like you and I because we have truth, honesty and respect for others, I do agree with every thing you and Tall Chad are saying, I truly value fellowship and sharing the culture with others, I am doing a trade a hunt with the guy that started this thread. I guess I am just focusing on the negative aspects to make a few points in this thread.

I refuse to give up on the good guy...

 

[Big_Holla]

Don't disagree with anything said. For me I would prefer to see youth catered to for hunting for the pure fact that introducing them at a younger age you may instill a desire in them to grow with it and pass it on to their family. The more that are interested in it perhaps the more will be aware of what happens when access starts getting limited, animal numbers start to dwindle, etc.. Each of us that feel like hunting activists who stand up for what we believe in and voice our opinions to the DNR all came from somewhere. For most of us it started when we were young. Way too many distractions these days to take away a single opportunity for our future conservationists.

 

[Bigcountry40]

Don't disagree with anything said. For me I would prefer to see youth catered to for hunting for the pure fact that introducing them at a younger age you may instill a desire in them to grow with it and pass it on to their family. The more that are interested in it perhaps the more will be aware of what happens when access starts getting limited, animal numbers start to dwindle, etc.. Each of us that feel like hunting activists who stand up for what we believe in and voice our opinions to the DNR all came from somewhere. For most of us it started when we were young. Way too many distractions these days to take away a single opportunity for our future conservationists.

I guess that is my point of all these post, I would like to see a much larger focus on true conversation of land and would be willing to give large amounts of money for that and not the other b.s (which is only my opinion, but includes hunter education stuff and etc). I would like to see more of what Crawford County Parks district does, basically they have a park/wildlife area that is only open to the crawford county residents and done by drawing, some very nice deer are taken there every year. I know the state has drawings but if this idea (county residents only) was done at other parks (not wildlife areas) I feel like local interest/involvement would skyrocket. This would work really well in the Toledo and Cleveland area.

 

[giles]

I guess that is my point of all these post, I would like to see a much larger focus on true conversation of land and would be willing to give large amounts of money for that and not the other b.s (which is only my opinion, but includes hunter education stuff and etc). I would like to see more of what Crawford County Parks district does, basically that have a park/wildlife area that is only open to the crawford county residents and done by drawing, some very nice deer are taken there every year. I know the state has drawings but if this idea (county residents only) was done at other parks (not wildlife areas) I feel like local interest/involvement would skyrocket. This would work really well in the Toledo and Cleveland area.

I love this idea! I'll second that, anyone want to move to make the motion?

 

[Jackalope]

That doesn't make you any better, Joe. Makes you part of the problem. I couldn't do it, goes against everything I stand for. That ain't me...

X2.

I dont recall saying it does make me any better. The reality is that dollar is going to be made regardless of whose pocket it goes in. Look around you at the leasing going on, i dont mean to sound harsh here but you nor anyone else standing on the porch with their lip poked out ain't gonna stop shit. That trains coming no matter if we like it or not, and when it's all said and done the only difference will be whose bank account saw deposits.

The way I see it is over the past 30 years hunters have screwed themselves and later generations out of far more land than you can shake a stick at. The vast majority of landowners that tell you no don't do so because they're against hunting, the do so because 99% of the time some jackass hunter screwed it up. Someone they let hunt drove through the field, littered, shot too close to the house, damage their timber, cut their fence, or caused some reason for that land to get closed off to Hunters for generations. That is not getting any better, in fact it is only getting worse. Leasing is not "part of the problem" as you say. Leasing is the inevitable result of the problem which is hunters themselves. These lands are not going to become magically available for free access hunting again. In the majority of cases the only way these properties will be hunted agsin it's by people leasing them. Leasing opens up land to people, their children, their families, and other people who want to hunt somewhere where they don't have to deal with every dumb fuck that's going to screw it up for everybody else. No sir. Leasing is not the problem as you say. It's the solution.

 

[Bigslam51]

It's all the fault of the bone collectors on TV. Can I borrow 3 grand, Joe?

 

[Jackalope]

It's all the fault of the bone collectors on TV. Can I borrow 3 grand, Joe?

The bone collectors on TV is the reason some people want to hunt. The reason they want to lease is to open up land so they don't have to deal with idiots or a swinging dick and every tree. They want a place where they can take their kids and actually see deer because Carhartt Bob hasn't shot them all. They want a place where they can hang a stand a month before season and not have to deal with some lazy guy 3 weeks into season hanging stands because it just cooled off enough for him to get his lazy butt off the couch. They don't want to invest time and energy running cameras, setting stands, and patterning deer, to have the orange Army show up at the end of November and screw it up by doing drives all over it. They don't want to get in there blind on a Saturday morning and find candy wrappers in it where someone else hunted it.

 

[MK111]

The bone collectors on TV is the reason some people want to hunt. The reason they want to lease is to open up land so they don't have to deal with idiots or a swinging dick and every tree. They want a place where they can take their kids and actually see deer because Carhartt Bob hasn't shot them all. They want a place where they can hang a stand a month before season and not have to deal with some lazy guy 3 weeks into season hanging stands because it just cooled off enough for him to get his lazy butt off the couch. They don't want to invest time and energy running cameras, setting stands, and patterning deer, to have the orange Army show up at the end of November and screw it up by doing drives all over it. They don't want to get in there blind on a Saturday morning and find candy wrappers in it where someone else hunted it.

Exactly.
Or climb into your ladder stand and find a pile of human shit on the seat. Have found that.

 

[Bigslam51]

It would be nice to not have to deal with that. I don't have the extra money laying around for it.

 

[cspot]

I see nothing wrong with leasing. I know it upsets alot of hunters, but we as hunters have been fortunate for a long time to hunt land for free. Not too much you can do in life anymore that is free. There is nothing wrong with a landowner recouping some of his cost for insurance, taxes, etc.

The leasing trend is happening all over the country as well and not just in big buck states. Even PA which has a huge amount of public land hunting, there are leases popping up all over the place.

I see it leveling off at some point. Hunter numbers are declining across the country, so the supply/demand thing will come into play.

 

[cspot]

The bone collectors on TV is the reason some people want to hunt. The reason they want to lease is to open up land so they don't have to deal with idiots or a swinging dick and every tree. They want a place where they can take their kids and actually see deer because Carhartt Bob hasn't shot them all. They want a place where they can hang a stand a month before season and not have to deal with some lazy guy 3 weeks into season hanging stands because it just cooled off enough for him to get his lazy butt off the couch. They don't want to invest time and energy running cameras, setting stands, and patterning deer, to have the orange Army show up at the end of November and screw it up by doing drives all over it. They don't want to get in there blind on a Saturday morning and find candy wrappers in it where someone else hunted it.

Exactly. For me it isn't about deer numbers or quality of deer. It is more of the fact that I want a place that I can develop the habitat and have stands were I want. I know that even if stumble in 20 minutes before daylight that it doesn't matter as there shouldn't be anyone there.

I will say though that bordering public land for me is a dream. So nice to have a huge expanse to explore and hunt even though I don't control it.