Deer Management Stakeholder Organization.

[MK111]

I doubt the names of the sponsors of a idea will be let out. I would think a radical idea sponsor ID would want to be kept secret so the hate mail couldn't nailed on them.

I do understand these are just ideas. But these ideas will be looked at and discussed in the future meetings to get a possible result. Ever so large or small of a final result of the idea.

 

[Jackalope]

I doubt the names of the sponsors of a idea will be let out. I would think a radical idea sponsor ID would want to be kept secret so the hate mail couldn't nailed on them.

I do understand these are just ideas. But these ideas will be looked at and discussed in the future meetings to get a possible result. Ever so large or small of a final result of the idea.

Then those individuals are not representing anyone but themselves. They are debating over a resource that belongs to every citizen of this state, as such every citizen of this state deserves to know the stance of that organization. This way they can support the organization's who best align with their ideals and not support the ones who don't. Supposedly one of the driving factors behind this was openness and transparency of the process the DNR has to undertake to make decisions. Individuals who stand to make a direct impact on the deer hunting of Ohio should absolutely have their stance known to the citizens of Ohio

 

[giles]

Or, what are they hiding behind the smoke of saying that? What else is in that article after that?

 

[bigten05]

Did everyone see the non resident fees went up 174 $ I think.

 

[Jackalope]

Did everyone see the non resident fees went up 174 $ I think.

Budget bill was signed which included the increase. 174 for NR license. 74 for a deer tag. 49 for a fishing license. And I believe 49 for a turk tag.

 

[Bigslam51]

Budget bill was signed which included the increase. 174 for NR license. 74 for a deer tag. 49 for a fishing license. And I believe 49 for a turk tag.

NR turk tag is $28, that should of been raised to at least $50.

 

[bowhunter1023]

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[giles]

What are they doing to get kids/new hunters involved?

You can add all the opportunity you want, without a resource, people aren't going to get involved.

People don't go gold panning in Ohio, and I think we know why.

Are there any plans to open more city/village/town parks to hunting? That would help both hunters and vehicles.

I feel like to much is being focused on today and not the future of this favorite pass time. No leadership

 

[Jackalope]

What are they doing to get kids/new hunters involved?

You can add all the opportunity you want, without a resource, people aren't going to get involved.

People don't go gold panning in Ohio, and I think we know why.

Are there any plans to open more city/village/town parks to hunting? That would help both hunters and vehicles.

I feel like to much is being focused on today and not the future of this favorite pass time. No leadership

But you see giles, we need to work harder to attract and retain prospectors. We need to expand opportunities for them to pan their local areas, we need to work hard to maintain a balance between prospectors and landowners. Look at all of these things they're going to do for you don't you feel so blessed. Don't you really feel like they're fighting for you the prospector. I mean outside of actually increasing the amount of gold in our creeks, which isn't going to fucking happen by the way, I don't know what else we can do for you. We're trying to maintain a fair balance here buddy. You want to hunt more, they want 2/3 less to hunt.

 

[giles]

But you see giles, we need to work harder to attract and retain prospectors. We need to expand opportunities for them to pan their local areas, we need to work hard to maintain a balance between prospectors and landowners. Look at all of these things they're going to do for you don't you feel so blessed. Don't you really feel like they're fighting for you the prospector. I mean outside of actually increasing the amount of gold in our creeks, which isn't going to fucking happen by the way, I don't know what else we can do for you. We're trying to maintain a fair balance here buddy. You want to hunt more, they want 2/3 less to hunt.

It never works out when you fuck the office girl...

 

[MK111]

What are they doing to get kids/new hunters involved?

You can add all the opportunity you want, without a resource, people aren't going to get involved.

People don't go gold panning in Ohio, and I think we know why.

Are there any plans to open more city/village/town parks to hunting? That would help both hunters and vehicles.

I feel like to much is being focused on today and not the future of this favorite pass time. No leadership

There is decent amounts of gold in certain areas of Ohio. I've panned the creek on my farm and started a locket filled with local gold for my wife.
Just as there are decent pockets of good deer hunting in Ohio. Much better than 40-50 yrs ago. When you go from ZERO deer to decent deer hunting it's a decent come back. But when the deer numbers take a down turn the sky is falling. We will ever see the high numbers of deer there was 6-10 years ago I would say NO.
Now it's up to State controls to do a good job of keep what we have now. There is no easy fix and most hunters aren't going to like the future deer hunting. As I see it the best is in our past and it isn't going to be permitted to come back.

 

[giles]

There is decent amounts of gold in certain areas of Ohio. I've panned the creek on my farm and started a locket filled with local gold for my wife.
Just as there are decent pockets of good deer hunting in Ohio. Much better than 40-50 yrs ago. When you go from ZERO deer to decent deer hunting it's a decent come back. But when the deer numbers take a down turn the sky is falling. We will ever see the high numbers of deer there was 6-10 years ago I would say NO.
Now it's up to State controls to do a good job of keep what we have now. There is no easy fix and most hunters aren't going to like the future deer hunting. As I see it the best is in our past and it isn't going to be permitted to come back.

I didn't say deer hunting in Ohio sucked or the sky was falling. I'm worried about the future of deer hunting and the tradition. Honestly, as leasing takes over the state isn't going to have anything left to manage. It's very obvious that they have no plan to manage public land.

 

[giles]

I hate bringing up problems without a solution...so here is my proposal on public land.

Public land needs managed, along with that comes funding.

$10 tax stamp:
If you choose to hunt public land you need a $10 tax stamp on your license. Whether it's folding wings on a river, chasing trophy deer or running small game. You have to have said stamp. 100% of that money gets put back into our public lands to pay for management, growth and preserving what we already have.

 

[OO2]

I hate bringing up problems without a solution...so here is my proposal on public land.

Public land needs managed, along with that comes funding.

$10 tax stamp:
If you choose to hunt public land you need a $10 tax stamp on your license. Whether it's folding wings on a river, chasing trophy deer or running small game. You have to have said stamp. 100% of that money gets put back into our public lands to pay for management, growth and preserving what we already have.

That's how some of the Western States do it. Most of them call it a Habitat Stamp and the ones I've seen vary from $10-25. I wouldn't mind it if that meant that keeping public land in public hands. I'm not sure if the waiver for AEP lands are still free or not but if funding is needed how about a minor charge to purchase the permit. Say $10 stamp like you suggest.

 

[giles]

That's how some of the Western States do it. Most of them call it a Habitat Stamp and the ones I've seen vary from $10-25. I wouldn't mind it if that meant that keeping public land in public hands. I'm not sure if the waiver for AEP lands are still free or not but if funding is needed how about a minor charge to purchase the permit. Say $10 stamp like you suggest.

They also do a drawing system for public land... Baby steps. The first step is getting them to realize they have a problem.

 

[Hortontoter]

I hate bringing up problems without a solution...so here is my proposal on public land.

Public land needs managed, along with that comes funding.

$10 tax stamp:
If you choose to hunt public land you need a $10 tax stamp on your license. Whether it's folding wings on a river, chasing trophy deer or running small game. You have to have said stamp. 100% of that money gets put back into our public lands to pay for management, growth and preserving what we already have.

The problem with any fee is that 100% never reaches what the fee is meant for. Most times more than half is swallowed up in some type of no brained nonsense.

 

[bawana]

OK back from our last session, question for everyone, What is your definition of "The Tradition of Hunting?" As much as possible keep it in the context of Deer Hunting.

 

["J"]

Being able to enjoy the outdoors with family and friends and have access to property to hunt with them...

 

[Jackalope]

OK back from our last session, question for everyone, What is your definition of "The Tradition of Hunting?" As much as possible keep it in the context of Deer Hunting.

A time long ago when hunters spent a long time staring at leaves and squirrels and enjoyed doing it.


The first rule of being a lawyer is never ask a question you dont already know the answer to. This is that question in my opinion. To me the design of that question is to frame Frank's stance in that Deer hunting today is great, even though the population is down because back in the 60s we didn't have any deer. Its a loaded question in the sense that there is no possible way someone can say anything to do with a larger deer population. The responses can then be used to take the position of The tradition of hunting isn't about seeing deer but the fun of being outdoors, so numbers don't really matter.

 

[giles]

Tradition to me...

Friendship. Back in the day hunting was a group thing that everyone enjoyed. Back when someone was happy to see a buck. Everyone was happy if a buck was on the buck pole. No one really cared about size of antlers.

Back before it was about money and more about the experience.

Back when it was about family and friends.

Back before cameras, when every deer was a surprise.

Back when you had access.

Back when...