Spencie I'm gonna need that title for worst hunter. 145 inch deer at 25 yards and I couldn't get him shot. Never heard him come in and I was watching 3 does come in behind me. Havent had a deer come in behind me all year like that,I was leaning around the tree letting them pass by at about 10 yards as I heard them walk past me I started to ease back forward and he was walking in looking at the does. I couldn't get the bow off the hanger. Not sure if he spooked the does or if they seen me and bounded off he did the same, I grabbed the bow and he stopped at 40 right in the middle of some vines and I didn't have a shot. I watched him walk thru the woods and over the hill.