The Future of Hunting in Ohio
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His point was in the leasing and locking up properties for a complete season and only hunting it for a few weeks a year. You as a landowner would be in a different scenario.
Living out of state, but owning in Ohio (let alone paying stupid blue county taxes and buying a license) I think one needs to look to Iowa before thinking "others" are the issue. What happens is the koffers fill with folks who will draw the next year and outfitters lease everything up. When a premium is put on a non-guaranteed tag you get high graded and willing to pay participants and then you'll note the local entrepreneurs selling everyone/everything down the river. While they may only hunt a couple weeks a year, they'll also go bananas on your kid who rides his quad over the line, or your lost dog because the cost is so high.
While I will be the first to admit New Englanders (inc PA) are typically like locusts with good deer ground, my local Ohio hunting neighborhood sucks like a vacuum on an adult film set. The neighbors nuke any buck and I know some of them have the tenacity to finger point at my posted signs and blame OOS folks for the bad smell as they're wearing chitty diapers.
Saying this as someone who plans to be living in Ohio within the next few years, and has been blessed with a family farm to hunt here; Some of you guys have no idea how good you have it with regulations and opportunity.
While I will be the first to admit New Englanders (inc PA) are typically like locusts with good deer ground, my local Ohio hunting neighborhood sucks like a vacuum on an adult film set. The neighbors nuke any buck and I know some of them have the tenacity to finger point at my posted signs and blame OOS folks for the bad smell as they're wearing chitty diapers.
Saying this as someone who plans to be living in Ohio within the next few years, and has been blessed with a family farm to hunt here; Some of you guys have no idea how good you have it with regulations and opportunity.
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I feel like I just read a really bad riddle to a really Shitty prize, but I’m 15 ole fashions deep so forgive me if I’m wrong. Just say what you mean in plain and simple mid west English please
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My interpretation: he lives in NY and it sucks. Iowa has a tag system that benefits the wealthiest but you aren't guaranteed a tag? Maybe? He bought land in Ohio. Posted the place heavily. His neighbors blast everything and complain about the local deer. He blasts them online. He can't wait to get here to have border wars with them. They will hunt 2yr old deer together. He has a family farm here to hunt as well so maybe his homestead will just be a place to make friends.
So essentially: it sucks everywhere but he wants to be in Ohio full time where the suck seems to be the least sucky.
Hicks- you're better than Google Translate.
NY sucks in every way.
OH is way better, and supportive of good hunting than some of you give it credit for.
The moment out of state hunters are regulated, they're willing to pay more and do more when they re picked. The money really comes out then as they're expecting a real premium for dollars spent.
Hate the system (as in the Texas hunting model we are progressing toward), not the hunters.
Old Fashions have a round ball ice cube. Ole Fashions have two.
NY sucks in every way.
OH is way better, and supportive of good hunting than some of you give it credit for.
The moment out of state hunters are regulated, they're willing to pay more and do more when they re picked. The money really comes out then as they're expecting a real premium for dollars spent.
Hate the system (as in the Texas hunting model we are progressing toward), not the hunters.
Old Fashions have a round ball ice cube. Ole Fashions have two.
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Yep. Look no further than Arizonas neighbor state New Mexico for their elk process to see how that works. Landowners get tags based on land area and elk population which are basically sold to the highest bidder, or guides buy them all up.
Have heard it said a few times on some recent posts and/or podcasts, and it is fact, "Many states are just one regulation change away from becoming the best, or worst" with regards to hunting.
Not sure how many of you have been to Mizzu, but there is a state with so much money going into public lands that some appear better than highly manicured and manipulated private habitat this way. They have cheap OOS tags with 2 bucks and 2 turkeys for $275. You don't hear the bitching like you do elsewhere due to habitat quality. Though the serious big bucks locals want more and the greener grass with "we'd be better than Iowa with their OOS draw odds". Their land would also cost as much (10-20k an ac) and be all leased up. Its easy to be short sighted with the wish list but every change has both good and bad effects.
I look into Bigcountry's crystal ice cubes and say Kansas, Nebraska and the Dakotas will all have deer related changes very soon due to NR pressure. People flock to whats easy. If baiting was outlawed here, Id suspect NR numbers would drop significantly and immediately. Food plots take effort, patterns take scouting and it wouldn't be pour the corn, hang the cam and come back when appropriate. NR are also far more likely to follow rules as the penalties are greater. The world, especially the lazy, love "easy".
Not sure how many of you have been to Mizzu, but there is a state with so much money going into public lands that some appear better than highly manicured and manipulated private habitat this way. They have cheap OOS tags with 2 bucks and 2 turkeys for $275. You don't hear the bitching like you do elsewhere due to habitat quality. Though the serious big bucks locals want more and the greener grass with "we'd be better than Iowa with their OOS draw odds". Their land would also cost as much (10-20k an ac) and be all leased up. Its easy to be short sighted with the wish list but every change has both good and bad effects.
I look into Bigcountry's crystal ice cubes and say Kansas, Nebraska and the Dakotas will all have deer related changes very soon due to NR pressure. People flock to whats easy. If baiting was outlawed here, Id suspect NR numbers would drop significantly and immediately. Food plots take effort, patterns take scouting and it wouldn't be pour the corn, hang the cam and come back when appropriate. NR are also far more likely to follow rules as the penalties are greater. The world, especially the lazy, love "easy".
You can't be the best by following others. There is always room for improvement and threads like this help point that out.
Five reasons why Michigan deer herds are surging: hunting declines are just one | Bridge Michigan
Declining hunting participation isn’t the only reason deer populations are skyrocketing. Blame suburban sprawl, a lack of hunting land in southern Michigan, a century-worth of predator suppression and the newer threat of climate change.
Some different answers here in this article. I guess not different, I don't know the word. Some more of the same problems with a different human population problem. We are booming in human population and they are not.
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Are We Making Things Too Easy For Youth Hunters?
Just a shade over thirty years ago, I started bowhunting whitetails as a clueless 12-year-old. We didn’t have youth seasons then. Or pop-up blinds. Or, trail cameras of any style, let alone models that would beam deer recon via satellites right to a device in our pockets. We didn’t have the type...
Internet searches on a wide scale are showing different reasons and thoughts. This seems to be a nationwide problem with hunting all together. It is hard to ignore the fact of trophy hunting ruining it for everyone. Or maybe it is what sticks out to me because my thoughts are on that.
I agree with this. Putting a 6 year old in a full concealment blind sitting behind a crossbow that they cannot hold up to shoot without the tripod it's mounted to and letting them shoot a deer over a pile of corn isn't a good start to a young persons outdoor life, imo. They need to learn a whole bunch of other stuff about the process of hunting before the killing is allowed to begin. I suspect that this scenario retards rather than improves retention among youth hunters. I learned how to sit still and watch deer and understand some things about their habits before I took a weapon with me. I l learned how to identify trees and plants, even some things about the wind. It was hard, but I loved it, and the harder it got the more I wanted it. That is probably why I am still an avid hunter today. I do think the trophy hunting mentality also distorts the learning process for youth hunters. Just my opinion. Nobody needs to get offended.Are We Making Things Too Easy For Youth Hunters?
Just a shade over thirty years ago, I started bowhunting whitetails as a clueless 12-year-old. We didn’t have youth seasons then. Or pop-up blinds. Or, trail cameras of any style, let alone models that would beam deer recon via satellites right to a device in our pockets. We didn’t have the type...www.themeateater.com
Internet searches on a wide scale are showing different reasons and thoughts. This seems to be a nationwide problem with hunting all together. It is hard to ignore the fact of trophy hunting ruining it for everyone. Or maybe it is what sticks out to me because my thoughts are on that.
This is the exact process I am taking with my own son right now. He's 4 and has many years before he takes a life of an animal, if he decides he wants to do so ever at all. Nothing is forced, and for at least the next several years it will be exclusively nature study. I think this is extremely important when trying to foster a lifelong hunter. I asked him yesterday if he wanted to tag along with me while I went squirrel hunting. He said no he did not, and I was just fine with it. I didn't kill my first animal until i was 11 years old and I think that was a good age personally.
Agreed. Making things too easy is a fundamental failure, not only with hunting, but with the biggest picture life lessons that hunting provides. Fast-forwarding to the end result (shooting a deer) while skipping the trials and tribulations that can eventually lead to the end result cheapens the entire experience. It makes it seem easy. When something seems easy it doesn’t hold as much appeal. It can actually be boring. If the experience is boring, the participants are less likely to stay with it for the long haul.
I agree with you both. Something to be said for waiting until you can understand what you are doing when taking life. Why you are doing it also. Then add on the "earning it" part and that is what makes people love this.
I should've just waited to reply. This is what I was trying to say. Just took me 5 minutes to end up with the thoughts I did. But,
Feeding backyard deer and elk does more harm than good - East Idaho News
The following is a news release from the Idaho Department of Fish and Game. IDAHO FALLS – Seeing a herd of deer outside your door or a head of elk may seem idyllic, and during winter they can almost seem tame. But truth is they’re wild animals that need to remain wild animals, and feeding […]
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Let's adjust our search towards those 15 acre lots with corn piles. Or "backyard feeders"
I guess my points this morning are that you can find that this isn't a problem ohio is having. Plenty of research and different articles to defend any and all arguments to be had. I just want what is best for the deer. I don't care what is on the deers head. We have to do what is right for the animals and manage them according to that. We have great dirt and genetics, we as humans just need to manage a healthy herd and let it be what it is. I do not belive we have a healthy herd currently. Corn piles and mineral sites are not natural or healthy IMO. They just create a place for animals to gather and transmit sickness.
Going to respectfully disagree with the whole kid thing and leave it at that. If you've never done it for your own kid, it's like telling people weed is a gateway drug when you've never smoked it yourself. 