Not necessarily complaining myself (though I'm definitely on the anti-baiting bullshit train), more pointing out out that the folks who do complain about hunting in Ohio are more likely the problem than the anyone/anything they blame.
The Future of Hunting in Ohio
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Not necessarily complaining myself (though I'm definitely on the anti-baiting bullshit train), more pointing out out that the folks who do complain about hunting in Ohio are more likely the problem than the anyone/anything they blame.
If you don't hunt in Ohio, how would you have any input to offer? Seems obvious that those hunting Ohio would have the experience and reference points to have complaints based in reality as opposed to conjecture. I would argue those who do complain, have the best basis on which to make such observations and particularly in this demographic, many of us self-regulate only to have it ruined by less scrupulous individuals. Just because you hunt in Ohio doesn't mean you're part of the problem.
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I do hunt Ohio. I own land in Ohio. I also agree with what you're saying as it is the same point for those that ONLY hunt Ohio and lack experience and knowledge of other areas and hunting experiences.
Aaron97
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I took some time to listen to a good chunk of this podcast and thought I'd provide my 2 cents as a hunter in his mid 20s.
1. I thought it was very interesting when Mike mentioned the average hunter in Ohio is now 47 years old. From what I've seen, very few people my age are into hunting unless they grew up doing it from a young age. I only have a couple friends who got into hunting as an adult. I also thought Mike's story about seeing so many nonresidents near Athens was interesting. I think over the next 10-20 years we'll see public land being used even LESS by residents as more guys age out. Whether more nonresidents will come to hunt... Who knows.
Note: I just looked at the ODNR's summary of the 22-23 season and it says license sales have declined 20% from 2011 to 2022. I expect this to only get worse.
2. It's very hard to get access. I've had luck due to personal connections but now people are VERY apprehensive to door-knocking for access now. Leasing has also done a lot to prevent residents from having hunting access. I think there needs to be more regulation/ control on the nonresident side but I'm not sure what that would actually entail.
3. Baiting. This is tough because I see both sides to the argument. I've never hunted over bait or dealt with neighbors that bait so I don't really have a well-informed opinion. It certainly seems to be a problem though.
4. Cameras. I think cameras are fine on private land but I'm starting to be more against their usage on public. I do not like the idea of turning every remaining bit of public forest in the state into a cell tower.
Overall the podcast was fine. I thought the hosts were somewhat annoying but the guest seemed pretty knowledgeable and I enjoyed hearing what he had to say even though I didn't agree with all of it.
1. I thought it was very interesting when Mike mentioned the average hunter in Ohio is now 47 years old. From what I've seen, very few people my age are into hunting unless they grew up doing it from a young age. I only have a couple friends who got into hunting as an adult. I also thought Mike's story about seeing so many nonresidents near Athens was interesting. I think over the next 10-20 years we'll see public land being used even LESS by residents as more guys age out. Whether more nonresidents will come to hunt... Who knows.
Note: I just looked at the ODNR's summary of the 22-23 season and it says license sales have declined 20% from 2011 to 2022. I expect this to only get worse.
2. It's very hard to get access. I've had luck due to personal connections but now people are VERY apprehensive to door-knocking for access now. Leasing has also done a lot to prevent residents from having hunting access. I think there needs to be more regulation/ control on the nonresident side but I'm not sure what that would actually entail.
3. Baiting. This is tough because I see both sides to the argument. I've never hunted over bait or dealt with neighbors that bait so I don't really have a well-informed opinion. It certainly seems to be a problem though.
4. Cameras. I think cameras are fine on private land but I'm starting to be more against their usage on public. I do not like the idea of turning every remaining bit of public forest in the state into a cell tower.
Overall the podcast was fine. I thought the hosts were somewhat annoying but the guest seemed pretty knowledgeable and I enjoyed hearing what he had to say even though I didn't agree with all of it.
What’s the general opinion of your non hunting family and friends on the subject of hunting?
Bigcountry40
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One thing I forgot to mention on here in my earlier post- I teach at a rural school where a fair amount of kids hunt. Majority of these kids have it pretty good (see lots of deer, bait piles, cell cams, side by sides, etc), if these kids are ever forced to hunt state land, they'll quit hunting. Obviously there will be some outliers but I don't see these kids making public land adjustments (if no other options) and slummin it after the success with ease they have experienced. It'll be interesting in the next 10 to15 years.
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Aaron97
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My family (both Mom and Dad's side) have background in hunting so pretty favorable. Most of my cousins don't hunt but there's no animosity. My in-laws are the same.
As for friends, most are totally indifferent. I have a few friends that hunt, too. I've never had anyone I know personally outright confront me on hunting but I have definitely had negative experiences with random people my age. My friend and I got called animal murderers by a girl our age that was driving by as we walked back from a sit
That’s good too hear, well except for the Karen that isMy family (both Mom and Dad's side) have background in hunting so pretty favorable. Most of my cousins don't hunt but there's no animosity. My in-laws are the same.
As for friends, most are totally indifferent. I have a few friends that hunt, too. I've never had anyone I know personally outright confront me on hunting but I have definitely had negative experiences with random people my age. My friend and I got called animal murderers by a girl our age that was driving by as we walked back from a sit
Yes, I do buy a non-resident hunting license, and deer and turkey permits. The landowner payment exemption is only for resident land owners.
No true, you do not have to buy a license as a nonresident landowner if the state you reside in lets none resident landowners hunt their land without a license.
thanks for that - I now recall reading that before, and unfortunately my state does not offer the reciprocal non-resident benefits. So I pay in Ohio...
Let's ban this or we as hunters need to do our part to regulate this species. Everyone wants to blame coyotes and this seems like a much bigger problem.
Yes, that is my picture I just got and it pissed me off. What TF are we doing?! We call ourselves hunters and justify it by saying we balance wildlife...we suck
Yes, that is my picture I just got and it pissed me off. What TF are we doing?! We call ourselves hunters and justify it by saying we balance wildlife...we suck
Handcuffs work year round. #iykyk #justsayin
Meh...there's always the Golden Maldrin option....but that's illegal at worst and unethical at best.
Wiley E Coyote
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Odnr knows there is a coon problem. They have no problem with us controlling them anytime we can
It is for sure 100% a raccoon problem and we as hunters aren't helping by baiting. Turkey hunters should really be up in arms on this subject.
This is a systemic issue, meaning you're both right. Systems are complicated and shifts in one or multiple variables create a cascade of effects, many of which will not be desirable (enter chaos theory). It's a coon problem AND a baiting problem. It's a demographic shift in hunters problem. It's a lack of access for coon hunters problem. It's a "not my problem" problem (read 'deer hunters vs. turkey hunters'). It's a state policy problem. You can't point a finger at a single problem and sum this up.
I feel that a lot of farmers are ignorant in blaming corn damage on deer when it's obviously coons. Coons knock down stalks, but deer get the blame and damage permits are given out.
I was getting a pic or 2 a week before they took the corn off. Now I get them all night. These bastards are resourceful and plentiful.