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Geezer II

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Use all the tools you have - vaccines - masks - social distancing - hydroxy - zinc - and etc.
 
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Jackalope

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New study out of the university of Oxford today. Still in preliminary release.

  • Two doses of either vaccine still provided at least the same level of protection as having had COVID-19 before through natural infection; people who had been vaccinated after already being infected with COVID-19 had even more protection than vaccinated individuals who had not had COVID-19 before.
  • However, Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people; with the Alpha variant, peak virus levels in those infected post-vaccination were much lower.
 

Geezer II

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New study out of the university of Oxford today. Still in preliminary release.

  • Two doses of either vaccine still provided at least the same level of protection as having had COVID-19 before through natural infection; people who had been vaccinated after already being infected with COVID-19 had even more protection than vaccinated individuals who had not had COVID-19 before.
  • However, Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people; with the Alpha variant, peak virus levels in those infected post-vaccination were much lower.

High % of new hospital cases and deaths among the unvaccinated ,91%, so its get vaccinated, get covid and survive and achieve immunity or not get covid and survive or .........
 

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High % of new hospital cases and deaths among the unvaccinated ,91%, so its get vaccinated, get covid and survive and achieve immunity or not get covid and survive or .........
Except for the 9% of vaccinated that have issues, including death. There's not certainty or free ride here and the Piper won't come to be paid for the vaccine for a while yet...
 
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Geezer II

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Except for the 9% of vaccinated that have issues, including death. There's not certainty or free ride here and the Piper won't come to be paid for the vaccine for a while yet...

Oh yeah forgot about vaccine issues - take whats the best shot for you. Piper come n sometime for long term covid effects for some also
 
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brock ratcliff

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Spoke with a retired pharmacist buddy today. He pointed out that according to the CDC, there have been 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccines. That number is understated. He named one drug that hit the market a few years back. Within the first couple months I was linked to <20 deaths and was immediately pulled from the market. I’m not pro or con on the vaccines, just saying.
 

Geezer II

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The screenshot only shows the headline and the text: “The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed an increased number of deaths reported after a COVID-19 vaccination. Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.”

The next paragraph in the article, which is not visible in the screenshots, shows an update that the CDC modified the number of 12,313 deaths to 6,079. The next paragraph shows a second update that says the CDC modified the number to 6,207.

However, the headline of the article has not been updated to show the correct number as of publishing. It also did not disclose in the headline that the number is sourced from VAERS reports, which do not provide definitive data on COVID-19 vaccine related fatalities.

In a July 21, 2021 page update, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it had received 6,207 reports of people who had died after receiving a COVID vaccine between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 19, 2021 (here ). But that came with clear caveats. On the same page, it says: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
 

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Use all the tools you have - vaccines - masks - social distancing - hydroxy - zinc - and etc.
well, thank you Webster, but that was not responsive to the question. :rolleyes:
 

Jackalope

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Spoke with a retired pharmacist buddy today. He pointed out that according to the CDC, there have been 12,000 deaths attributed to the vaccines. That number is understated. He named one drug that hit the market a few years back. Within the first couple months I was linked to <20 deaths and was immediately pulled from the market. I’m not pro or con on the vaccines, just saying.

There is no doubt that if this wasn't a pandemic it would have never seen the light of day. The adverse effects are monumentally beyond what the FDA traditionally viewed as an acceptable drug event threshold. But COVID kils people so a massively heightened appetite for issues is just considered "Acceptable casualties" Look how long these drugs were on the market before they were finally pulled.



Troglitazone (Rezulin)
Time on the market: 1997-2000
Treatment with this antidiabetic and anti-inflammatory drug resulted in 90 cases of liver failure and at least 63 deaths. It also resulted in 35,000 lawsuits against its maker, Parke-Davis/Warner Lambert (now Pfizer).

Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Time on the market: 2001-2005
Valdecoxib is an NSAID that the FDA later determined worked no better than other NSAID pain medications on the market. The drug was recalled for adverse heart effects including death, heart attack, and stroke, as well as increased risk for serious skin reactions, such as epidermal necrolysis, erythema multiforme, and Stevens-Johnson syndrome. To boot, the drug had the potential to cause gastrointestinal bleeding.

Sibutramine (Meridia)
Time on the market: 1997-2010
This appetite suppressant increased heart disease and stroke risk in those who took it. FDA reviewer Dr. David Graham called it “another Vioxx” during a Senate hearing in 2004.
 

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Jackalope

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Can't say for sure but pretty confident I have covid. I've had a mild persistent cough for the last three days. Nothing coming up so it's a dry cough, just the feeling of needing to cough throughout the day. Other than that no other symptoms. No real reason to have a cough like that this time of year as it's hotter than shit down here right now. Our covid number in this area are like a rocket ship so it wouldn't surprise me. I looked it up and having a cough as the only symptom is about 1 in 10. We'll see I guess.
 
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