my budget limits are meaningless now, lol. if I'm going to shell out $6k for a used one, I'll pony up another couple thousand and get a new one. I take care of my stuff, but I'm not all into turning wrenches as a pastime. I can fix stuff and do maintenance, but I'd rather be doing most anything else besides working on my power equipment. durable, reliable, longevity mean a lot to me when it comes to expensive machinery. pretty obvious to me that I'm going to have to get really lucky to find a used Rancher or Foreman with the features I want for substantially less than a new one.