Coyote compensatory reproduction

[Smawgunner2]

Google this. We have so many damn coyote it's ludicrous. I'm hesitant to shoot one here and there because they're able to rebound numbers by increasing litter size as a result of a drop in population. I don't have a thermal scope or the time to effectively make a dent in their population. Has anyone successfully made a dent in their coyote population and how much effort and time did you put in to do it?
have to admit...there is some satisfaction to knocking one put here and there though.

 

[OO2]

@Boarhead

 

[Cogz]

They have to grow and survive to do the damage. And the one you kill can’t reproduce any longer. I’ve read about it but I look at it like one dead coyote could be at least one fawn saved during the current or next spring/summer

 

[Big_Holla]

Every evening 20 minutes before dark this week they start sounding off. One group here, then another south, then some north, east, west… as I type this just had one sound off next to the camper. WTF

 

[Wildlife]

I have some more new cool coyote hunting items this year within my aresenal. I'll be hitting them hard come this winter. My killing them around my place over the last couple of years has helped quite a bit I think. All the other wildlife species have increased thier poplutions, including some I haven't seen in years, and most importly, to me anyhow, all the fawns are surviving now for the most part. I"ve yet to see a mangled up deer by coyotes over the last two years, where before I hunted them, i'd see them quite regularly..

Happened right behind my home.

Hunting them like this near my home.

I love coyote huntin. To me, it's more intense and accelerating than deer huntin in most outings.

I'll be sharing more on this topic as I start getting into hunting them this winter.

 

[bowhunter1023]

This book explains this phenomenon very well. Yotes really are the ultimate survivors.

Coyote America: A Natural and Supernatural History https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465093728/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_X0JJA1Z837KJ53QH6663

 

[Mickey Merrie]

Song dogs...

When the snow is on this winter follow the tracks to their den, then dispose of mom and her young uns in one fell swoop. Then go find the one to the south and the one to the west. See if that don't put a dent in them!

 

[tuffshot]

I have been watching a lot of videos on YouTube. All regions of the country are represented, good info and product pointers. I also found some young men farm boys out of Circleville that are slayers an invited them down to thin my population.

 

[Spencie]

I know of a group of guys that kill 40+ per year out of the same field. Every year. Same field. You’re not going to dent the population. Just make yourself feel good to take one out.

 

[at1010]

Ah, great topic!

This has been proven various times, Penn State did a study in the low country of SC on 200 sq miles (I believe) the findings that trapping predators, reduced populations for any duration of time were non-existent. As coyotes were removed, bobcats moved in, and visa/versa.

If you are wanting to kill coyotes in an effort to reduce populations - that is probably a lost cause. However, many great trappers have proven that you CAN positively impact fawn recruitment with coyote trapping, which I think is what most people want to do anyway.

This is a bit of a slippery slope, as you may trigger the compensatory reproduction response.

The way this works is simple. You trap coyotes, HEAVILY, right before/during the fawn drop.
You MUST continue to do this year after year.

Casey Shoopman of the MGT Advantage did a podcast on this and it was insightful. He was adamant about how intense the trapping must be (50-70, sometimes way more, coyotes a week being trapped on large swaths of land).

The end goal is not to reduce the coyote population, but simply put a gap in population density, relative to the area one hunts, during the most vulnerable time of year - fawn drop.

 

[Big_Holla]

What I find odd is for many many years you didn't hear of a coyote, then boom they were popping up everywhere it seemed.

 

[at1010]

What I find odd is for many many years you didn't hear of a coyote, then boom they were popping up everywhere it seemed.

There are natural vicissitudes in an eco-system, and I am not an expert but I have observationally noticed coyote populations typically follow these trends.

1. Area with low deer populations/rabbits - low coyote numbers.
2. Hunters stressed about low deer numbers, stop shooting deer - maybe clear cuts are done in areas as well or CRP is planted - more rabbit/fawning habitat - low coyote numbers.
3. Number two stays this way for a few years
4. Deer population and rabbits seem to have a healthy comeback, hunters are every happy - coyote/bobcat sightings start to increase, mostly in winter.
5. After a few years of higher sustained prey populations, coyotes and other predators seem to be more regularly seen - which in turn increases us hearing them, seeing them on camera, sign, etc.
6. We start to notice some of the seemingly negative coyote impacts, fawn mortality being at the top of the list.

Again, this is just my observation and is NOT proven off of any scientific research I have read. Just wanted to share as a talking point.

 

[Smawgunner2]

Ah, great topic!

This has been proven various times, Penn State did a study in the low country of SC on 200 sq miles (I believe) the findings that trapping predators, reduced populations for any duration of time were non-existent. As coyotes were removed, bobcats moved in, and visa/versa.

If you are wanting to kill coyotes in an effort to reduce populations - that is probably a lost cause. However, many great trappers have proven that you CAN positively impact fawn recruitment with coyote trapping, which I think is what most people want to do anyway.

This is a bit of a slippery slope, as you may trigger the compensatory reproduction response.

The way this works is simple. You trap coyotes, HEAVILY, right before/during the fawn drop.
You MUST continue to do this year after year.

Casey Shoopman of the MGT Advantage did a podcast on this and it was insightful. He was adamant about how intense the trapping must be (50-70, sometimes way more, coyotes a week being trapped on large swaths of land).

The end goal is not to reduce the coyote population, but simply put a gap in population density, relative to the area one hunts, during the most vulnerable time of year - fawn drop.

That’s what this article seems to be saying. Trapping at the right times is the key.

Does Shooting Coyotes Affect Deer Populations? | Grand View Outdoors

There’s more to predator control than picking off the occasional coyote.

www.grandviewoutdoors.com

 

[Wildlife]

Since I've been hunting the yotes over the past few years, killing them every chance that I get, I now have bobcats in the area, which is somethin I haven't seen before.

One of them attacked my outdoor cat just yards away from me near our barn, about to carry him off into the woods during a summer evening, just before dark. I was able to stop him from doing that. A couple months later, my cat finally came up missing and have not seen him ever since. I do believe that bobcat finally got ahold of him for good this time.

I still occasionally see that bobcat in the area, quick glimpses of him here and there, and he does frequent our property far more than what I like.

I hope that we'll have the opportunity to hunt that kind of predator someday, before I get too old to do somethin about them.

Anyhow, chipmunks have made a comeback around here, where as years before we didn't have any at all, plus the Wild Turkeys too. Both, I believe have returned, or at least increased in population numbers.

We do have less number of coyotes now, both last year and this. Between me and another neighbor guy who he traps and I hunt them, I think we have put a nice dent into them. I still have not seen a mangled up deer yet by our local coyotes either, where as I was always used to seeing them in prior deer seasons quite regularly, and I have encountered them as well while in the act, chasing down those deer and destroying them in minutes. That has not happened at all, both last season, and this season, as of yet anyways.

Again, I do enjoy the sport of hunting coyotes with a rifle. It's a lot of fun when you're able to get on them like I have been over the past two years.

 

[tuffshot]

I know of a group of guys that kill 40+ per year out of the same field. Every year. Same field. You’re not going to dent the population. Just make yourself feel good to take one out.

Coyotes travel for food their range is unlimited as food is depleted in an area they move. After removing the predators others move in as the food source replenishes.

 

[Spencie]

Coyotes travel for food their range is unlimited as food is depleted in an area they move. After removing the predators others move in as the food source replenishes.

So like I said you aren’t going to put a dent in the local population.

 

[giles]

Man does it feel good to grab a rifle after deer season. Once again, sometimes hunting has nothing to do with killing/harvest. Some things are just good for the soul.

Get behind a canned AR with a thermal and a caller. Tell me I'm wrong. So fun people spend more on it than deer hunting. No closed season either, you can do that every night all year around! Wait wait wait...and they'll come back? Study says so? Sign me up for that kind of fun!!!

I always wanted to get some dogs to run them with. Just not enough people whiling to let you on them to make it worth it.

 

[Bowhunter57]

In my area...I've noticed that if I kill a coyote or two, they seem to take notice and leave the area.
I can tell they're in the area, when I'm not seeing deer on a regular basis. Deer have regular travel patterns and when they're disrupted, it's usually because of coyotes, but Again...in my area.

As of lately, the deer patterns have become intermittent and the neighbor sent me a text that he's seeing a pair of coyotes on his trail cameras. This makes sense and tells me that I need to do some coyote maintenance and kill a couple.

Bowhunter57

 

[Sgt Fury]

The gun club killed three yotes this week here in Jersey. One was bright orange…looked like a huge red fox. The guy who got him is going to get it mounted.

 

[md1]

Im seeing more red fox than ive ever seen. Theres alot of coyote hunters around here and not much cover and a low deer population. I think hunters keep them in check or coyotes naturaly keep themselves in check with lack of food. as its 40 mile drive in all directions until you get into decent ground with connected timber. Multiple groups with dogs nearby. Coyote drives when the snow is on the ground kills the most here, thermal hunts at night plus the here and there kills of deer hunters. When the population bumps up the kill counts go up. I feel 0 need most seasons to kill any here unless a large litter of pups is nearby. Im guessing in our county at least 250 yotes get killed and thats a very very low ball guess. With all counties surrounding us getting hunted the same ways. Thats 1/2 of our yearly deer harvest number which im guessing we are closer to 3/4. Are 2500 yotes-3500 yotes being killed in knox or larger deer populated areas? They say it cant be controled but we might be an exception or nature just balances itself but guns have to help it.